[4.x]Upload and Update

[brianteeman]

Change the link with long text that is apparently confusing people to shorter text that is styled like a button

Pull Request for Issue #37512 .

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[laoneo]

Is there a reason this button should not be inline and the same size with the other two ones?

[brianteeman]

yes absolutely. its not a preferred option hence it is smaller and below. just as the link text was before

[toivo]

I have tested this item ✅ successfully on 2718226

Tested successfully in Joomla 4.2.3-dev of 8 April in Wampserver 3.2.7 using PHP 8.0.15

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[Webdongle]

I have tested this item ✅ successfully on 2718226

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[alikon]

RTC

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[Kostelano]

I am not a designer, I look at the result as a normal user. It looks terrible.
The string option was better.

[laoneo]

Adding here the RLDQ label.

[toivo]

ReleasLeadDecisionQueue because of one opinion to the contrary?

The word 'msnually' does not belong to the string. It causes confusion and it needs to go.

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[Kostelano]

Just for thought. Why not put "Upload and Install" and "Reinstall" buttons in the toolbar? How do I get into the menu for reinstalling kernel files now? I can not.

[Webdongle]

Just for thought. Why not put "Upload and Install" and "Reinstall" buttons in the toolbar? How do I get into the menu for reinstalling kernel files now? I can not.

That is a different issue.
btw

Although tabs like in J3 would imho be better. But the powers that be decided on this design. Anyway it is the wording itself this is dealing with. If you want to change the layout start another tracker and create a patch for that.

[simbus82]

I am not a designer, I look at the result as a normal user. It looks terrible. The string option was better.

We are de facto in a "admin management app", for a good UX actions need to be identified by buttons.
A linked text is wrong in this type of UI, this isn't a webpage. (for example, it would make more sense to refer to an external page of the guide as linked text and not as a button).

[Kostelano]

@simbus82
It doesn't matter to me - a button or a line - both can be a good solution, BUT. I'm talking about the fact that THIS visual solution loses to the original version. Perhaps if the button could be implemented in the same size/style, and also placed in a better place (it's hard for me to think of a better one, except for, for example, a toolbar), this would be a better solution.

In any case, the decision is up to the maintainers.

[Webdongle]

@Kostelano
The position is in the same place as the incorrect text was. The size of the button balances the page. But it is not about the position it is about the fact that the wording needs to be changed to 'Upload and Update'. Please stop derailing this thread by making off topic comments. If you want the position changed please start another separate tracker.

[bembelimen]

I'm ok with the button but I have some doubts about the text. Probably it's a thing as I'm not a native speaker, but I'm missing the "what should I upload" information.

"Update by uploading the update package"

Something like that (although I'm still not 100% happy)?

[brianteeman]

It's the text that's causing the problems

[brianteeman]

All that information is on the next page

[Webdongle]

@bembelimen
'Upload and Update' is the wording that has been used for at least 7 years. Why wait until now to object to it's use?

'Upload and Update' is also used in the helpscreen linked to from the Component
https://help.joomla.org/proxy?keyref=Help41:Joomla_Update#Upload_and_Update
"You can use this feature to update Joomla if your server is behind a firewall or otherwise unable to contact the update servers. First download the Joomla Upgrade Package in ZIP format from the official Joomla download page."

[bembelimen]

All that information is on the next page

Fair enough, just we shouldn't remove existing language strings then I'm ok.

[brianteeman]

Fair enough, just we shouldn't remove existing language strings then I'm ok.

I really disagree with keeping unused strings for core components. It makes no logical seense to me at all so to move this forward I have changed this pr to keep the strings with the new values

[bembelimen]

Not many rules, it's in the B/C promise... Thx

[brianteeman]

Not many rules, it's in the B/C promise... Thx

Doesn't mean it makes sense ;)

[bembelimen]

Thx

[brianteeman]

thanks - got there in the end

[toivo]

Thank you everyone!

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[Webdongle]

Thank you especially @brianteeman