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Make it a policy to never show Labs when "show_labs_settings": false #22706

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aaronraimist opened this issue Jun 30, 2022 · 8 comments · Fixed by matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#8969
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Make it a policy to never show Labs when "show_labs_settings": false #22706

aaronraimist opened this issue Jun 30, 2022 · 8 comments · Fixed by matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#8969
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O-Occasional Affects or can be seen by some users regularly or most users rarely S-Tolerable Low/no impact on users T-Enhancement X-Regression Z-Labs Z-WTF

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aaronraimist commented Jun 30, 2022 •
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Your use case

What would you like to do?

Never show the Labs tab in settings unless show_labs_settings is enabled.

Why would you like to do it?

It's extremely confusing for users that the Labs tab appears but only has one or two features in it. Many people in #element-web:matrix.org have been confused by this.

How would you like to achieve it?

If a feature is in beta but we want to allow more people to try it, then it should come out of the Labs tab and be placed elsewhere in settings.

Have you considered any alternatives?

#8498

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Show all of the Labs settings but have them disabled with a sentence saying these are only available when show_labs_settings is enabled.

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@aaronraimist aaronraimist changed the title Make it a policy to **never** show Labs when "show_labs_settings": false Make it a policy to never show Labs when "show_labs_settings": false Jun 30, 2022
@kerryarchibald kerryarchibald added X-Needs-Product More input needed from the Product team O-Occasional Affects or can be seen by some users regularly or most users rarely S-Tolerable Low/no impact on users labels Jul 1, 2022
@SimonBrandner SimonBrandner self-assigned this Jul 2, 2022
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avfigueredo commented Jul 5, 2022 •
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It's a good idea, I've set the show_labs_settings to false, but continues to appear to users, and it would be good whether it doesn't appear.

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su-ex added a commit to SchildiChat/element-desktop that referenced this issue Jan 15, 2023
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Merge tag 'v1.11.17' into sc
6d83055 
* This allows the update server to be entirely static, such as a CDN or object store, as defined at https ([\element-hq#461](element-hq#461)).
* Enable threads by default ([\#9736](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9736)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#19270 element-hq/element-web#21910 and element-hq/element-web#23946.
* Add inline code formatting to rich text editor ([\#9720](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9720)).
* Add emoji handling for plain text mode of the new rich text editor ([\#9727](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9727)).
* Overlay virtual room call events into main timeline ([\#9626](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9626)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#22929.
* Adds a new section under "Room Settings" > "Roles & Permissions" which adds the possibility to multiselect users from this room and grant them more permissions. ([\#9596](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9596)). Contributed by @GoodGuyMarco.
* Add emoji handling for rich text mode ([\#9661](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9661)).
* Add setting to hide bold notifications ([\#9705](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9705)).
* Further password reset flow enhancements ([\#9662](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9662)).
* Snooze the bulk unverified sessions reminder on dismiss ([\#9706](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9706)).
* Honor advanced audio processing settings when recording voice messages ([\#9610](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9610)). Contributed by @MrAnno.
* Improve the visual balance of bubble layout ([\#9704](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9704)).
* Add config setting to disable bulk unverified sessions nag ([\#9657](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9657)).
* Only display bulk unverified sessions nag when current sessions is verified ([\#9656](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9656)).
* Separate labs and betas more clearly ([\#8969](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#8969)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#22706.
* Show user an error if we fail to create a DM for verification. ([\#9624](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9624)).
* Prevent unnecessary m.direct updates ([\#9805](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9805)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#24059.
* Fix checkForPreJoinUISI for thread roots ([\#9803](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9803)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#24054.
* Load RTE components only when RTE labs is enabled ([\#9804](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9804)).
* Fix issue where thread panel did not update correctly ([\#9746](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9746)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#23971.
* Remove async call to get virtual room from room load ([\#9743](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9743)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#23968.
* Check each thread for unread messages. ([\#9723](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9723)).
* Device manage - handle sessions that don't support encryption ([\#9717](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9717)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#23722.
* Fix hover state for formatting buttons (Rich text editor) (fix element-hq/element-web/issues/23832) ([\#9715](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9715)).
* Don't allow group calls to be unterminated ([\#9710](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9710)).
* Fix replies to emotes not showing as inline ([\#9707](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9707)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#23903.
* Update copy of 'Change layout' button to match Element Call ([\#9703](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9703)).
* Fix call splitbrains when switching between rooms ([\#9692](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9692)).
* bugfix: fix an issue where the Notifier would incorrectly fire for non-timeline events ([\#9664](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9664)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#17263.
* Fix power selector being wrongly disabled for admins themselves ([\#9681](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9681)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#23882.
* Show day counts in call durations ([\#9641](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9641)).
su-ex added a commit to SchildiChat/element-web that referenced this issue Jan 15, 2023
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Merge tag 'v1.11.17' into sc
eac9806 
* Add inline code formatting to rich text editor ([\element-hq#9720](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9720)).
* Add emoji handling for plain text mode of the new rich text editor ([\element-hq#9727](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9727)).
* Overlay virtual room call events into main timeline ([\element-hq#9626](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9626)). Fixes element-hq#22929.
* Adds a new section under "Room Settings" > "Roles & Permissions" which adds the possibility to multiselect users from this room and grant them more permissions. ([\element-hq#9596](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9596)). Contributed by @GoodGuyMarco.
* Add emoji handling for rich text mode ([\element-hq#9661](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9661)).
* Add setting to hide bold notifications ([\element-hq#9705](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9705)).
* Further password reset flow enhancements ([\element-hq#9662](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9662)).
* Snooze the bulk unverified sessions reminder on dismiss ([\element-hq#9706](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9706)).
* Honor advanced audio processing settings when recording voice messages ([\element-hq#9610](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9610)). Contributed by @MrAnno.
* Improve the visual balance of bubble layout ([\element-hq#9704](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9704)).
* Add config setting to disable bulk unverified sessions nag ([\element-hq#9657](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9657)).
* Only display bulk unverified sessions nag when current sessions is verified ([\element-hq#9656](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9656)).
* Separate labs and betas more clearly ([\element-hq#8969](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#8969)). Fixes element-hq#22706.
* Show user an error if we fail to create a DM for verification. ([\element-hq#9624](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9624)).
* Prevent unnecessary m.direct updates ([\element-hq#9805](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9805)). Fixes element-hq#24059.
* Fix checkForPreJoinUISI for thread roots ([\element-hq#9803](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9803)). Fixes element-hq#24054.
* Load RTE components only when RTE labs is enabled ([\element-hq#9804](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9804)).
* Fix issue where thread panel did not update correctly ([\element-hq#9746](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9746)). Fixes element-hq#23971.
* Remove async call to get virtual room from room load ([\element-hq#9743](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9743)). Fixes element-hq#23968.
* Check each thread for unread messages. ([\element-hq#9723](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9723)).
* Device manage - handle sessions that don't support encryption ([\element-hq#9717](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9717)). Fixes element-hq#23722.
* Fix hover state for formatting buttons (Rich text editor) (fix element-hq/issues/23832) ([\element-hq#9715](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9715)).
* Don't allow group calls to be unterminated ([\element-hq#9710](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9710)).
* Fix replies to emotes not showing as inline ([\element-hq#9707](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9707)). Fixes element-hq#23903.
* Update copy of 'Change layout' button to match Element Call ([\element-hq#9703](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9703)).
* Fix call splitbrains when switching between rooms ([\element-hq#9692](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9692)).
* bugfix: fix an issue where the Notifier would incorrectly fire for non-timeline events ([\element-hq#9664](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9664)). Fixes element-hq#17263.
* Fix power selector being wrongly disabled for admins themselves ([\element-hq#9681](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9681)). Fixes element-hq#23882.
* Show day counts in call durations ([\element-hq#9641](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9641)).
su-ex added a commit to SchildiChat/matrix-react-sdk that referenced this issue Jan 15, 2023
@su-ex
Merge tag 'v3.63.0' into sc
8126c80 
* Prevent unnecessary m.direct updates ([\matrix-org#9805](matrix-org#9805)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#24059.
* Fix checkForPreJoinUISI for thread roots ([\matrix-org#9803](matrix-org#9803)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#24054.
* Add inline code formatting to rich text editor ([\matrix-org#9720](matrix-org#9720)).
* Add emoji handling for plain text mode of the new rich text editor ([\matrix-org#9727](matrix-org#9727)).
* Overlay virtual room call events into main timeline ([\matrix-org#9626](matrix-org#9626)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#22929.
* Adds a new section under "Room Settings" > "Roles & Permissions" which adds the possibility to multiselect users from this room and grant them more permissions. ([\matrix-org#9596](matrix-org#9596)). Contributed by @GoodGuyMarco.
* Add emoji handling for rich text mode ([\matrix-org#9661](matrix-org#9661)).
* Add setting to hide bold notifications ([\matrix-org#9705](matrix-org#9705)).
* Further password reset flow enhancements ([\matrix-org#9662](matrix-org#9662)).
* Snooze the bulk unverified sessions reminder on dismiss ([\matrix-org#9706](matrix-org#9706)).
* Honor advanced audio processing settings when recording voice messages ([\matrix-org#9610](matrix-org#9610)). Contributed by @MrAnno.
* Improve the visual balance of bubble layout ([\matrix-org#9704](matrix-org#9704)).
* Add config setting to disable bulk unverified sessions nag ([\matrix-org#9657](matrix-org#9657)).
* Only display bulk unverified sessions nag when current sessions is verified ([\matrix-org#9656](matrix-org#9656)).
* Separate labs and betas more clearly ([\matrix-org#8969](matrix-org#8969)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#22706.
* Show user an error if we fail to create a DM for verification. ([\matrix-org#9624](matrix-org#9624)).
* Fix issue where thread panel did not update correctly ([\matrix-org#9746](matrix-org#9746)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#23971.
* Remove async call to get virtual room from room load ([\matrix-org#9743](matrix-org#9743)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#23968.
* Check each thread for unread messages. ([\matrix-org#9723](matrix-org#9723)).
* Device manage - handle sessions that don't support encryption ([\matrix-org#9717](matrix-org#9717)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#23722.
* Fix hover state for formatting buttons (Rich text editor) (fix element-hq/element-web/issues/23832) ([\matrix-org#9715](matrix-org#9715)).
* Don't allow group calls to be unterminated ([\matrix-org#9710](matrix-org#9710)).
* Fix replies to emotes not showing as inline ([\matrix-org#9707](matrix-org#9707)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#23903.
* Update copy of 'Change layout' button to match Element Call ([\matrix-org#9703](matrix-org#9703)).
* Fix call splitbrains when switching between rooms ([\matrix-org#9692](matrix-org#9692)).
* bugfix: fix an issue where the Notifier would incorrectly fire for non-timeline events ([\matrix-org#9664](matrix-org#9664)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#17263.
* Fix power selector being wrongly disabled for admins themselves ([\matrix-org#9681](matrix-org#9681)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#23882.
* Show day counts in call durations ([\matrix-org#9641](matrix-org#9641)).
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This seems to have regressed. On app.element.io which is running 1.11.21, I see this:

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t3chguy commented Feb 6, 2023

@aaronraimist based on the PR description I disagree

If Labs are disabled, only Betas are shown. If there are no Betas and Labs are enabled, only Labs are shown. If Labs are disabled and there are no betas, the tab is not displayed

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@t3chguy The PR description matches exactly what I wanted but that isn't what got implemented.

Apparently I missed this comment matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#8969 (comment) and this commit matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk@3bd9d0b

Keep the "Labs" name in the Settings menu, for the sake of simplicity.

The name of the tab was the major thing I found confusing.

Here's another recent example of someone being confused by it https://matrix.to/#/!YTvKGNlinIzlkMTVRl:matrix.org/$fJbROknwyPsIdyNPAN2R54ifcxtCxY9fv0K1Jq-L7J4?via=matrix.org&via=privacytools.io&via=mozilla.org

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t3chguy commented Feb 6, 2023

yeah I suggested changing the config name at the time, guess it didn't occur

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MamasLT commented Aug 13, 2023

Hello!
I will have to agree on this. There is no point in showing Labs, when they are off. ESPECIALLY not the ones that don't even work properly yet, like BETAS.

All Labs page should be GONE, when the settting is "show_labs_settings": false

Only this makes sense.
And then we can discuss, on separate option for enabling beta options (like "show_beta_labs_settings": true/false) , so the homeserver admins would have an option to decide id they want to enable it.
Most of us wont, because clients wont need these features at all.

Thank You.

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yeah I suggested changing the config name at the time, guess it didn't occur

Argh, yeah, we really did forget to change the name...

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Are there any updates on this? We still get the lab in the menu with show_labs_settings:false

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