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16:48:28 * garyo-home (n=[[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])) has joined #scons
16:49:09 <garyo-home> Hi, Greg.
16:59:36 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Hi. Steven said he would be late; anyone else here for the bug party? Still a minute to go.
17:00:56 <garyo-home> hmm, maybe it's just us?
17:01:05 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Yup.
17:01:13 <garyo-home> Need a bit more of a quorum than that I think.
17:01:24 <garyo-home> Anyway I'm looking at some of the 2007q2 issues...
17:01:20 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Do you want to go back and work some issues while we wait?
17:01:39 <garyo-home> shall we just wait a few minutes?
17:01:45 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yup.
17:31:12 * stevenknight (n=[[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])) has joined #scons
17:31:23 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Hi, Steven
17:31:26 <stevenknight> hey
17:31:27 <garyo-home> Hi Steven!
17:31:44 <stevenknight> which spreadsheet and # are we on?
17:32:00 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Waiting for you; first one of current issues.
17:32:09 <garyo-home> Hi Steven -- it's just Greg & me so we were waiting for you.
17:32:55 <stevenknight> okay
17:33:18 <garyo-home> Shall we just start w/ the new ones, then?
17:33:25 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2087
17:33:39 <stevenknight> 1.x, no one's weighed in on priority so... p3?
17:33:52 <garyo-home> ok w/ me
17:33:55 <stevenknight> question is who
17:34:22 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> As I indicated, I don't think Mark has experience with Python.
17:34:24 <stevenknight> ah, just saw the note re: Flacy
17:34:38 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> He's probably good with advice, but not programming.
17:34:37 <garyo-home> So that means Rob I guess?
17:34:45 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Yes, Rob.
17:34:50 <stevenknight> sure
17:34:59 <stevenknight> 1.x, p3, rob ... done
17:35:04 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> ok, done, next
17:35:32 <garyo-home> 2088: easy, but needs testing. Who has Java?
17:35:54 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Not me
17:35:49 <stevenknight> i'm creating a VM that anyone can run with a reasonable subset of necessary tools
17:35:53 <stevenknight> including Java 1.5 and 1.6
17:36:04 <garyo-home> ah, good. Linux + Java?
17:36:10 <stevenknight> yeah, ubuntu
17:36:14 <garyo-home> excellent
17:36:28 <stevenknight> starting with JEOS == Just Enough Operating System
17:36:30 <garyo-home> I just made an ubuntu vm for doing scons doc w/ all the doc tools
17:36:47 <stevenknight> did you start with workstation?
17:37:00 <garyo-home> I got a prebuilt 8.04 from somewhere.
17:37:12 <stevenknight> ah, i bet i know which one
17:37:14 <garyo-home> it's kind of bloated.
17:37:13 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> And I obviously need to get a VM to run Mac Classic
17:37:32 <garyo-home> [GregNoel](GregNoel): :-) :-)
17:37:56 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> garyo-home, well, I still want to play Civ II :-(
17:38:00 <garyo-home> anyway, so 2088 can be done easily & tested on this vm?
17:38:11 <stevenknight> Ken volunteered off-line to make bandwidth available for people to download the VM
17:38:21 <garyo-home> Greg: I just fired up my Amiga 1000 for my 9-year-old, he loves it
17:38:42 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Hmmm, I wonder if my Amigas still work...
17:38:30 <stevenknight> yes, VM should be good for testing
17:38:50 <garyo-home> Stevenknight: I'll d/l & try it. Ken should put the pointer on the dev list.
17:39:14 <stevenknight> it's not there yet, but I'll get with him and get it set up
17:39:33 <garyo-home> OK. I don't want to be the "java guy" though, I know nothing about it.
17:39:33 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> so 2088, gary, when?
17:39:35 <stevenknight> after 0.98.5 is out (sourceforge *finally* got the release system working again this afternoon)
17:39:42 <stevenknight> 2088: gary, 1.x, p4
17:39:43 <garyo-home> 1.x p3
17:39:47 <stevenknight> p3
17:39:51 <stevenknight> i meant to say... :-)
17:39:56 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
17:40:23 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2089
17:40:47 <stevenknight> 2089: do we have a NEEDSMOREINFO for kicking something back to the filing user?
17:41:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> no, "research" is best, with a comment
17:41:25 <garyo-home> ok w/ me
17:41:39 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'll kick it back and we'll re-triage it next time?
17:41:29 <stevenknight> okay, i'd say "research" and Russel
17:41:57 <stevenknight> or whenever he updates with more info, i really want to understand what he expected
17:42:37 <stevenknight> i think he expected it to select the compiler, but i'm not sure
17:42:45 <stevenknight> if so, then it's a feature request
17:42:36 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
17:42:41 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2090
17:42:53 <garyo-home> ok, 2090? I'm staying out of this one.
17:43:31 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Uh, I'm not sure what to say
17:43:35 <stevenknight> 2090: i think a doc issue re: LANG for 1.0, p3
17:43:47 <garyo-home> ok w/ me
17:43:50 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> OK
17:43:53 <stevenknight> and a new issue to track adding a warning
17:44:02 <stevenknight> probably 1.x, p2 (?)
17:44:15 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Where should the note be, under env.Java()?
17:44:35 <garyo-home> that's where I'd look.
17:44:47 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'm not sure we need a warning
17:45:18 <garyo-home> not a big deal for me, doc is ok
17:45:27 <stevenknight> okay, makes life simpler all around
17:45:39 <stevenknight> then 1.0, p3, doc
17:45:47 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
17:45:57 <garyo-home> 2091: add new optional arg?
17:46:15 <garyo-home> 1.x p3? I'll do it.
17:46:26 <stevenknight> works for me
17:46:36 <stevenknight> one thing just occurred to me, though...
17:46:53 <stevenknight> isn't [AppendUnique](AppendUnique)(keep_existing=True) just a different name for Append()???
17:47:17 <garyo-home> No, it would do nothing if it exists rather than deleting the old copy and appending.
17:47:21 <garyo-home> (right?)
17:47:33 <stevenknight> but it doesn't delete the old copy
17:47:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> the option would have to be changed; existing semantics are those of keep_existing
17:47:49 <stevenknight> that's why Greg was saying [AppendUnique](AppendUnique)() keeps the left-most
17:48:02 <stevenknight> at least I don't think it does... let me check...
17:48:18 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> The option would have to be, ah, delete_existing or some such
17:48:32 <stevenknight> replace=
17:48:57 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> replace what??
17:49:07 <stevenknight> make the keyword replace=
17:49:23 <stevenknight> oh, wait, that would imply replacing in place, not deleting the old and appending the new
17:49:25 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> It's not a replacement, either. The existing is deleted.
17:49:31 <stevenknight> right
17:50:09 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> so 2091, 1.x p2, gary?
17:50:24 <stevenknight> yes
17:50:33 <garyo-home> ok, what was the resolution on the keyword name?
17:50:34 <stevenknight> Gary, you all right with naming it "replace_existing="?
17:50:40 <stevenknight> wrong
17:50:47 <stevenknight> "delete_existing="
17:51:06 <garyo-home> yes, that's fine w/ me. Defaults to false.
17:51:21 <stevenknight> right
17:51:23 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
17:51:32 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2094, I'll buy p5
17:51:53 <garyo-home> sure
17:52:01 <stevenknight> 2093: 1.0, doc, Gary
17:52:10 <garyo-home> yes, I assumed that.
17:52:23 <stevenknight> 2094: 1.x, p5, Benoit
17:52:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> works for me
17:53:34 <stevenknight> okay, enough time to start the next spreadsheet?
17:53:35 <garyo-home> OK, on to 2007q2 I guess?
17:53:48 <stevenknight> yes
17:54:33 <stevenknight> 1615: already consensus
17:54:34 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1643 is first
17:54:39 <stevenknight> 1617: already consensus
17:54:42 <garyo-home> we skip the DONE ones, move right to 1643?
17:54:42 <stevenknight> ah
17:55:01 <stevenknight> oh, hey, there's DONE strings there... :-)
17:55:04 <stevenknight> nice
17:55:25 <garyo-home> Brandon said he updated it, maybe that was a different ticket or something?
17:55:42 <garyo-home> I think get more info from user.
17:55:50 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> must have been
17:56:11 <garyo-home> pretty weird behavior though.
17:56:13 <stevenknight> agree: research, Brandon
17:56:21 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> OK
17:56:59 <garyo-home> 1644
17:57:17 <garyo-home> Greg, I like your idea of starting all out blank, but it's impractical for now, agreed?
17:57:32 <stevenknight> that's 1.x p2
17:57:36 <garyo-home> I say just fix this one case for now in 1.x p2.
17:57:53 <stevenknight> agree with both of you re: both <ins>RPATH and public variables starting blank
17:58:38 * [GregNoel](GregNoel) has been overrun by rugrats; wait a sec
17:58:41 <garyo-home> ok, so David, 1.x, p2, in the Conservatory, with the Knife?
17:58:47 <garyo-home> :-)
17:58:58 <stevenknight> yes
17:59:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> ok, 1644, not completely impractical, but it should be a policy; move toward it in the future.
18:00:12 <garyo-home> agreed.
18:00:24 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yes, 1.x p2, David
18:00:37 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1646
18:00:32 <garyo-home> 1646: Ludwig GSoC sounds good to me.
18:00:42 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
18:00:45 <stevenknight> ludwig gsoc++
18:01:23 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1660, close
18:01:53 <garyo-home> yup
18:02:20 <stevenknight> yes, close
18:02:23 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
18:02:36 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1681
18:02:48 <garyo-home> 1661: Steven, does VS cleanup possibly include using bat files to get env vars?
18:02:56 <garyo-home> Or is it two separate things?
18:03:34 <stevenknight> includes .bat files
18:03:59 <garyo-home> ok, I'm a big VS user so if you do it I'll help.
18:04:16 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> collaboration++
18:04:19 <stevenknight> yeah, it's turning into a case of when in Rome...
18:04:29 <garyo-home> stevenknight: exactly.
18:05:15 <stevenknight> never thought that i'd have to become such a Windows geek, though... :-)
18:05:42 <garyo-home> sorry, happens to the best of us
18:05:45 <stevenknight> looks like that's it for 2007q2
18:06:14 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1662?
18:06:29 <garyo-home> 2.x p2?
18:06:39 <stevenknight> ah, skipped one
18:06:45 <stevenknight> yeah, 2.x p2
18:06:46 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> more than one
18:07:00 <stevenknight> oh, wow, so we did
18:07:17 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> We???
18:07:29 <stevenknight> good point
18:07:34 <stevenknight> "me"
18:07:40 <stevenknight> must have scrolled down too far...
18:07:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Sometimes it scrolls in pieces; that's bit me before
18:08:10 <stevenknight> no, waitaminnit, someone above mentioned 1681... :-)
18:08:25 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> typo
18:08:34 <stevenknight> aha
18:08:48 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> next line says 1661, which was correct
18:08:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> my eyes are too old to read that tiny type
18:09:21 <garyo-home> anyway, 1662 is i18n, 2.x p2?
18:09:30 <stevenknight> okay, 1662 2.x p2
18:09:37 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'll buy it
18:09:55 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1663?
18:09:59 <garyo-home> then 1663, latex, 2.x unless a patch magically appears?
18:10:01 <stevenknight> 1663: 2.x, Rob, encourage WONTFIX
18:10:09 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> works for me
18:10:33 <garyo-home> 1667: would be nice if we had a contrib/ folder, but not until 2.0 IMHO
18:11:24 <stevenknight> agree re: contrib/
18:11:35 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1667 is DONE; 1673?
18:11:39 <stevenknight> make a bunch of the wiki stuff more accessible / useful
18:11:47 <stevenknight> 1673: 1.0.x, p1
18:11:58 <stevenknight> who?
18:11:59 <garyo-home> ok w me
18:12:14 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
18:12:43 <garyo-home> 1674 is trivial I think
18:13:02 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> DONE
18:13:22 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1675?
18:13:26 <garyo-home> 1675 I already replied to him
18:13:37 <garyo-home> just wait & see now.
18:13:43 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Yeah, and I think you're right
18:13:50 <stevenknight> 1675: probably end up closing, i don't think there's a SCons problem here
18:13:59 <garyo-home> agree
18:14:01 <stevenknight> but okay to wait until he replies (if he does)
18:14:14 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Defer until next week?
18:14:32 <garyo-home> ok. Or could close, and let user reopen if they still care?
18:14:39 <garyo-home> (Can users reopen tickets?)
18:15:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I think so; Bugzilla could
18:15:09 <stevenknight> good question, i thought they can, but don't really know
18:15:24 <garyo-home> anyway safer to defer for a week anyway.
18:15:36 <garyo-home> ... anyway. didn't say that enough in the last line, anyway.
18:15:55 <garyo-home> 1679 dup?
18:15:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> DONE
18:16:08 <stevenknight> done
18:16:09 <garyo-home> 1681 consensus
18:16:15 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> next quarter, or break here?
18:16:32 <stevenknight> now, i think we've finished 2007q2...
18:16:36 <garyo-home> I should go I'm afraid.
18:16:43 <stevenknight> me too
18:16:49 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> OK, what about next week?
18:16:50 <stevenknight> same time next week...?
18:16:57 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I have a conflict...
18:16:58 <garyo-home> see you all next wk, I can do it then.
18:17:05 <garyo-home> Greg: different night better?
18:17:15 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'll have to leave before 18 o'clock
18:17:23 <stevenknight> Greg: another ntime Monday or another night?
18:17:33 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> let me check
18:17:39 <stevenknight> i'm okay with 17h00 - 18h00
18:18:12 <garyo-home> that's the usual time, right?
18:18:14 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Tuesday is OK
18:18:19 * garyo-home does time math in head...
18:18:22 <stevenknight> right
18:18:26 <stevenknight> usual time
18:18:35 <garyo-home> I can do Tuesday usual time also.
18:18:52 <stevenknight> let's go with Tuesday then
18:18:54 <garyo-home> Let's try to get more attendance next time. Mailing list reminder?
18:19:01 <stevenknight> yes
18:19:21 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> multiple reminders
18:19:00 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Wednesday the 18th I leave for ten days; the party after next you're on your own.
18:19:35 <stevenknight> [GregNoel](GregNoel): maybe I should prep next week's spreadsheets so you're available if questions come up
18:19:41 <stevenknight> or gary
18:20:01 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'm preparing a wiki page; should be ready soon
18:20:05 <garyo-home> I'm getting very busy at work, 3 new empl's including new CEO this wk...
18:20:15 <garyo-home> I'll try to keep up my end of things though.
18:20:22 <stevenknight> wow, congratulations on the expansion
18:20:38 <garyo-home> thx, it's exciting but as VP/eng I'm in the thick of it.
18:20:37 <stevenknight> did you do an exec search for CEO?
18:20:48 <garyo-home> yes, big exec search.
18:21:00 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> So he's fat? {;-}
18:21:12 <stevenknight> who handled it for you? one of the big national recruiting firms or a local?
18:21:16 <garyo-home> we're up to 13 people, 3 engineers and a new database guy.
18:21:43 <garyo-home> Steven: a guy our investors recommended, name slips my mind atm...
18:21:53 <stevenknight> np
18:22:02 <stevenknight> that's really cool, glad to hear things are going well
18:22:08 <garyo-home> Todd Savage.
18:22:21 <garyo-home> He was good, but not cheap.
18:22:42 <garyo-home> Greg, just saw yr comment :-)
18:22:59 <garyo-home> & actually no, *she*'s thin.
18:23:04 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Wasn't that funny in retrospect
18:23:17 <garyo-home> that's irc for you.
18:23:47 <garyo-home> anyway guys, have a good week, I'll try to squash a few of my bugs this week.
18:23:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> <splat!>
18:24:02 <garyo-home> :-)
18:24:12 <garyo-home> c ya
18:24:14 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> bye
18:24:20 <stevenknight> okay, thanks
18:24:22 <stevenknight> later
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