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add water vapour mixing ratio to atmospheric variables (1-01-01) #550

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amilan17 opened this issue Aug 27, 2024 · 12 comments
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amilan17 commented Aug 27, 2024

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OSCAR/Requirements updated Water Vapour mixing ratio in summer of 2024. This issue is an attempt to align with WIGOS metadata codes.

Add water vapour mixing ratio to atmospheric variables (1-01-01)

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Water Vapour Mixing Ratio "3D field of water vapour mixing ratios in the UTLS. Mixing ratio is the mole fraction of a substance in dry air (UTLS, MUS)"

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GOCS, OSCAR Requirements, @kpremec

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  • OSCAR/Surface
  • OSCAR/requirements
  • Radar/DB
  • OceanOPS
  • WHOS
  • WDQMS
  • GBON Compliance Monitor
  • Other

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https://space.oscar.wmo.int/variables/view/water_vapour_mixing_ratio

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This may be related to
Water vapour (no definition) which doesn't have a definition.

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Example: Manual on Codes (WMO-No. 306), Volume I.3, WMO Codes Registry, Code table 1-01-01

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amilan17 commented Jan 20, 2025

related codes:

notation path domains tags name description
46 252 \Atmosphere\Humidity     Integrated water vapour
49 255 \Atmosphere\Humidity     Water vapour pressure
579 12165 \Atmosphere\Humidity   \Atmosphere\Humidity\Water vapour Water vapour
661 12249 \Atmosphere\Humidity   atmosphere,humidity Relative humidity (with respect to water)
662 12250 \Atmosphere\Humidity   atmosphere,humidity Specific humidity

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@kpremec proposes to remove this part of the definition from O/R and the new WIGOS codes.
"Mixing ratio is the mole fraction of a substance in dry air (UTLS, MUS)"

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kpremec commented Jan 20, 2025

Proposal is to extract the 2nd sentence "Mixing ratio is the mole fraction of a substance in dry air (UTLS, MUS)" and add it as a note in OSCAR/Requirements.

@amilan17 amilan17 moved this from Submitted to In progress in Codelist Amendments for WMDR Feb 4, 2025
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joergklausen commented Feb 20, 2025

https://codes.wmo.int/ui/text-search?query=water+vapour produces a long list of entries from grib2, bufr4, and wmdr with clear redundancies.
https://codes.wmo.int/ui/text-search?query=humidity produces an even longer list, again with many redundancies. https://codes.wmo.int/ui/text-search?query=watervapor produces one more hit, of a deprecated variable.
https://codes.wmo.int/ui/text-search?query=mixing+ratio produces another long list, again with many reduncancies.

Cleaning up these codes would require a collaboration between various teams of WMO and presumably, a more fundamental change to grib2 and bufr4 code list management.

For TT-WIGOSMD, the following are relevant in the context of this issue. Definitions were added in italic where none exists.

Notation Name Description Status
252 Integrated water vapour Total amount of water vapour in a vertical column of air per unit area. Integrated water vapour (IWV) is also known as Precipitable Water Vapour (PWV).  stable
255 Water vapour pressure Partial pressure of water in the atmosphere  stable
12165 Water vapour Water in the gaseous phase. [International Vocabulary of Meteorology (WMO-No. 182). 1992.]  stable
251 Humidity (at specified distance from reference surface)   superseded
12249 Relative humidity (with respect to water) The ratio of the amount fraction of the water vapour in the air to the corresponding amount fraction if the air were saturated with respect to water at a particular pressure and temperature. Relative humidity is typically reported in percent (%). [Based on definition of R1490 in International Vocabulary of Meteorology (WMO-No. 182). 1992.] stable
12250 Specific humidity The ratio of the mass of water vapour in the air to the mass of a moist air parcel, where the mass of the moist air parcel is the sum of the mass of water vapour and the dry air. Synonym: Moisture content. [Based on definition of M1750 in International Vocabulary of Meteorology (WMO-No. 182). 1992.] stable
256 Watervapor profile   superseded
253 Mass mixing ratio  Ratio of the mass of water vapour to the mass of dry air. Based on AMS Glossary od Meteorology. stable

The term 253 (Mass mixing ratio) is the closest match to the term water vapour mixing ratio used in OSCAR/Requirements. Because 'mass mixing ratio' is conventionally used for 'water vapour mixing ratio', but is ambiguous, it is recommended to rename the current WMDR term and include a mention in the definition, as follows:

Notation Current Name New Name Description Status
253 Mass mixing ratio Water vapour mixing ratio  Ratio of the mass of water vapour to the mass of dry air. Often simply called 'mixing ratio'. Based on AMS Glossary of Meteorology.

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amilan17 commented Feb 20, 2025

https://github.com/wmo-im/tt-wigosmd/wiki/Meeting.2025.02.20 notes:

@wmo-im/tt-wigosmd to review; Jitze noted that it would be good to simplify this list, and this problem also exists in OSCAR/Requirements

@joergklausen joergklausen self-assigned this Feb 20, 2025
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kpremec commented Feb 25, 2025

In the definition of WVMR, , I suggest deletion of the following "Often simply called 'mass mixing ratio'. Based on AMS Glossary of Meteorology."
This part is not true as "mass mixing ratio" can be associated with different variables, for example "Aerosol mass mixing ratio". Even more, the Glossary does not recognize "mass mixing ratio", but only "mixing ratio".

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gaochen-larc commented Mar 3, 2025

In the definition of WVMR, , I suggest deletion of the following "Often simply called 'mass mixing ratio'. Based on AMS Glossary of Meteorology." This part is not true as "mass mixing ratio" can be associated with different variables, for example "Aerosol mass mixing ratio". Even more, the Glossary does not recognize "mass mixing ratio", but only "mixing ratio".

agree. The term "mixing ratio" has also been widely used in meteorology textbooks, at least in the older versions.

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In the definition of WVMR, , I suggest deletion of the following "Often simply called 'mass mixing ratio'. Based on AMS Glossary of Meteorology." This part is not true as "mass mixing ratio" can be associated with different variables, for example "Aerosol mass mixing ratio". Even more, the Glossary does not recognize "mass mixing ratio", but only "mixing ratio".

agree. The term "mixing ratio" has also been widely used in meteorology textbooks, at least in the older versions.

Thanks. First of all, I corrected the links in my original comment. Second, I concede that the AMS glossary refers to 'mixing ratio' without the specification 'mass ...', which makes it all the more ambiguous. Third, I would actually prefer to retire 253 altogether for this reason ... or change to "water vapour mixing ratio"?. @kpremec, @gaochen-larc Any thoughts?

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In the definition of WVMR, , I suggest deletion of the following "Often simply called 'mass mixing ratio'. Based on AMS Glossary of Meteorology." This part is not true as "mass mixing ratio" can be associated with different variables, for example "Aerosol mass mixing ratio". Even more, the Glossary does not recognize "mass mixing ratio", but only "mixing ratio".

agree. The term "mixing ratio" has also been widely used in meteorology textbooks, at least in the older versions.

Thanks. First of all, I corrected the links in my original comment. Second, I concede that the AMS glossary refers to 'mixing ratio' without the specification 'mass ...', which makes it all the more ambiguous. Third, I would actually prefer to retire 253 altogether for this reason ... or change to "water vapour mixing ratio"?. @kpremec, @gaochen-larc Any thoughts?

I know this vague... But this is for a historical reason as this term was used before realizing tropospheric trace gases and aerosols. For novice or non-meteorology major researchers, I think this may be a problem...

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Another 5 cents for this discussion. When defining the ACTRIS vocabulary, we consulted metrologists (measurement experts) how to name these properties from their point of view. For example, "mole fraction" or "mole mixing ratio" was a complete no-go for them. "Mole" is a unit, and therefore must be part of a property name, just like "voltage" isn't a proper name for "electric tension". We settled on "amount fraction" for what is often called "mole fraction", and on "mass fraction" for what is often called "mass mixing ratio".

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