Termux Wikipedia Article

[SDRausty]

This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termux
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termux#/issues

@fornwall why is news of this deleted from Termux G+ https://plus.google.com/109614420080028230010/posts/Nj6RLZdirRu This topic was first posted six days ago, only to be deleted repeatedly. Without group support, this page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termux along with these https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Termux&title=Special:Search&profile=default&fulltext=1&searchToken=32xpund017jy7v2bdp7cnnrhu six accompanying pages will be deleted as well. If Termux users don't know of this, they will never "Please share your thoughts on the matter ..." as the notice requests.

Who deleted https://plus.google.com/109614420080028230010/posts/iX7yD7rg3F1 a request for this issue resolution six days ago? Whoever deleted this post and is deleting similar postings is keeping Termux from developing into a mature hybrid Linux distribution.

[its-pointless]

Calm down. Wikipedia is just being wikipedia. The more you fight the more they justify doing bullshit. Its been a clusterfuck for years. There is only pain in fighting wikipedia.

[RolandR]

Hey, @SDRausty.

I took a look at the article you wrote, and I have to say, I'm not surprised that it was deleted.
There are several issues with it, most severely:

• It reads like an ad. Things like this should be avoided at all cost:

Take part in Termux on smartphone, tablet and similar devices. Consider joining our Termux Community. You are welcome at Termux!

• Most of the article is just long lists of programming languages or packages or somesuch. That makes it pretty tedious to read, and I don't think somebody who's never heard of Termux before would care.
• The article, and its references, should make it obvious how and why Termux is of encyclopedic relevance.
• Scrap the list of Addons, or incorporate it into the article text.
• Wikipedia is not a tutorial. It should describe what Termux is, not how to use it.

I suggest you take some time to have a look at Contributing to Wikipedia and browse the pages linked there. Also useful are What Wikipedia is not, Writing better articles and Relevance of content.

Also, as @its-pointless wrote: Calm down. Not everything has to be in Wikipedia.
Minecraft was at some point deemed irrelevant, too. If Termux isn't there yet, just relax and give it time.

[Quasic]

The moderator may be familiar with Wikipedia's WP:CANVASS, which warns against using chat, fourms, etc. like this. (There is also a demand for notifying interested parties. It's a gray line at times.) You are supposed to tell of any such external chat in the deletion discussion, as we see two others have.

1 is almost a reason to !vote del, actually. :s Wikipedia has its own search etiquette, which is best for its users, not the articles, or their subjects, and sometimes not even for itself/editors. :p (WP:RFD often discusses this.)

2 may not be relevant, as the article should be written for the average Wikipedia user, not developers.

3 should be summarized as much as possible. Information like this is supposed to go in external links, for the most part. (Links to lists/wikis/sites with the information, so to not repeat it.) It can cause problems with maintenance etc.

Since there wasn't much participation in the discussion, if handled properly, we might be able to get it restored as a draft for editing purposes, but not as an article without a review that addresses the issues. To be honest, while we're getting to that point, we're still not "notable" enough for a termux page, yet, afaik. I'd like to find out I'm wrong, though. ;-)

[Quasic]

Generally, each page can have its own consensus, following sources on that particular subject. Many pages also follow consensus for particular page groups, similar to classes. One problem with wikis is finding where links have been removed. If you have a list of link removals, we could look at them. The main things to keep in mind on Wikipedia are cooperation and understanding. These people can be friends. Also, everything changes. Try to not worry about it. It doesn't usually matter so much in the long term.

[Quasic]

I didn't find termux in the comparison article's history.

I found https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Linux_distributions&diff=prev&oldid=818865042 but list articles usually require items to currently have their own articles. There will be no problem relisting termux here once it has an article.

Using wikis as references is a bit controversial. In the TeX Live article, a different reference would probably be wanted, but it could be ok for now.

It looks like other pages I can look at later are listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SDRausty

There is a big learning curve there. People often understand mistakes, which are common. The closer's talk page is the appropriate page for getting a deleted page restored. Many get that wrong. I noticed your edits to the closer's talk page were in the wrong place, though. It is easy to post near the top instead of using the new section button, but I know I find it very annoying on my talk page. An apology for this could help, just make sure to use the new section button (or new topic or whatever it may be called.) You could ask for the article to be sandboxed or drafted, but it is pointless to ask about the deletion or restoring the article as it was. The closer really had little choice in the matter, and is responsible to many people to not bend too much.

[Quasic]

My thoughts on the multilingual aspect:

1. Other language Wikipedias do have different inclusion criteria, as well as other policies. It would be nice to have an editor familiar with them, for each language.
2. Translations are not currently implemented in termux, (though that's not necessarily relevant.)
3. Besides language Wikipedias, there are also wikicommons, wikidata, and possibly more projects that could be relevant.

[Atavic]

A minimal stub is up now.

[Quasic]

This article seems stable. Thanks for creating it. It may not count as the same article. (If it were, it would be redeleted.) Remember to keep this in mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest

[Quasic]

It was tagged shortly after I said that, so I spoke too soon. It's to be expected, though. There will be a debate, and an admin will close it. I'm not sure how, yet, but this time it's not as clear-cut. It's one some admins may want to avoid closing. :P

[Neo-Oli]

The wikipedia article was deleted a second time now. I have asked the administrator to move the article to a draft and he moved it to my userspace. The article can now found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Glow_oli/Termux

There we can continue to improve it and most importantly add sources. Once it is ready we can recreate the page again with the new and improved article.

I ask you all not to recreate the article again or berate the wikipedia admins about this issue any more, so that we don't fall on deaf ears once the article is ready.

[Atavic]

Last issue before deletion was Notability. That means 3rd party sources are needed, so here some:
https://www.xda-developers.com/termux-the-ultimate-linux-terminal-emulator-for-android-xda-spotlight/
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-get-a-linux-terminal-on-android/

There's a little banner on the google+ Community:
https://plus.google.com/communities/101692629528551299417

Could it be used as screenshot?

[Quasic]

Looking better; now that there is a talk page on Wikipedia, it's the best place to continue this discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Glow_oli/Termux

[Atavic]

@Neo-Oli more 3rd party sources:

Ad-hoc, Mobile, and Wireless Networks: 16th International Conference on Ad Hoc Networks and Wireless, ADHOC-NOW 2017, Messina, Italy, September 20-22, 2017

Termux appears at page 139 under User-Space Network Tunneling Under a Mobile Platform: A Case Study for Android Environments chapter.

[Atavic]

@SDRausty I have no Facebook.

[Quasic]

I have no Facebook, either.

I don't see any difference in the article, but we can look at the links and incorporate them.

Wikipedia shouldn't be trusted. There are too many conflicts and vandals. It can be useful to find more helpful resources, though.

[Quasic]

Please don't recreate the article. It only hurts. If an article is recreated too often, it is salted (blacklisted) which then requires an admin to create it.

[Quasic]

@Atavic, about the Google+ banner, we would need to upload a copy, either with verified permission of the creator or with a claim that it is too simple to worry about copyright, as it's basically just $ Termux []

[Grimler91]

Please don't recreate the article. It only hurts. If an article is recreated too often, it is salted (blacklisted)

Who asked me in early summer, "@SDRausty, why don't you write it?".

I suggested that you should write it @SDRausty. @Quasic has a point, we can't force wikipedia moderators to accept the article.
What we can do is to address their concerns, thereby improving the article and then upload it again.

[Atavic]

@Quasic

verified permission

Eh... I can't find any source for that, BTW:

The image on the right, here is hosted on mediawiki, so WP should be happy.

[Atavic]

@Grimler91 Actually the page is handled by Neo-Oli, see: #1930 (comment)

[gimler]

@SDRausty i think you mean @Grimler91

[Grimler91]

@Atavic yeah, but everyone can contribute to it of course

[Quasic]

@Atavic, I don't know the license for the Google+ image, but the wiki one looks compatible. Of course, anyone can take their own screenshot and upload it.

[avi-vivi]

Hello, so I created a new wiki page for termux
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termux
Currently the page has only few information and some of them may be incorrect.
I'm not very good at writing so edits will be appreciated.