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[REVIEW]: libfmp: A Python Package for Fundamentals of Music Processing #3326
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@whedon I will start the review next week |
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This is a more general question about how to understand "Substantial scholarly effort". If I would follow the list here, I would have to say no because: "positive" answers:
"negative" answers (leading to saying no):
The two "positive" answers might outweigh some of the negatives. I don't think that the age of the software / the number of commits / number of authors should have much to say, as I would say that also one person could create a very useful software package, and 10 people might not; and additionally, the age of the git repository and the number of commits might not reflect the actual development effort as many software packages start in a private repository. This leaves me with the last question (according to my reordered list), which is actually important. As mentioned above "libfmp" is only mentioned in papers by the same group. Since libfmp has only been available via pip for a couple of months, and was not promoted before (I think), this seems reasonable. So I also checked the papers citing the FMP notebooks paper which I would expect people to cite if they were using the code and it looks like the FMP notebooks paper is exclusively cited by work from the same group. Maybe @arfon can clarify how this question should be answered given the information I provided. Thanks! |
I created an issue for almost all the things I noticed. There are two other things that I am not sure about and might be interesting to discuss with the other reviewer or the editor:
Would be interesting to hear other people's opinion about those two things. Best regards |
Many thanks for the thorough review process. I just want to clarify two of the mentioned points. Age of software: The development of libfmp went hand in hand with developing the FMP notebooks, which have been developed internally before releasing libfmp on GitHub. This development process preceded the first GitHub release by a few years. Furthermore, some of the algorithms are based on previously unpublished internal MATLAB implementations, which predate FMP by several years. Variable names: The deviations of the variable names compared to librosa is intentional. An essential aspect of the FMP notebooks and libfmp is to establish a close connection to the FMP book. This connection enables students to study fundamental MIR concepts in-depth by reading a textbook along with implementations of the concepts explained in the book. Thus, the variable names reflect the mathematical notation used in the book. Best, Frank |
That's what I assumed! (and also doesn't have an impact on my review) The first comment was more of a question for the editor, since it is not clear to me what is expected from me for answering the "Substantial scholarly effort" question, although I am inclined to answer it with yes.
Thanks for the clarification, makes sense! If you can take care of the minor issues I raised here I can tick all the missing boxes and can finish my review. |
Thanks for raising these questions about scholarly effort @expectopatronum – the 'signals' we suggest are just pointers you might be able to use to guide your thinking. We also say that the work should represent three or more months of effort which is sound like it does? After reading the README in a little more detail myself I did have one question for the authors – could you clarify @fzalkow if this is software designed for addressing research challenges or is a teaching tool? JOSS doesn't publish software designed for teaching (we encourage authors to submit to our sister journal JOSE for submissions that fall into this category). |
Dear arfon, Many thanks for your question. Indeed libfmp covers both teaching and research aspects. This combination is due to the origin of libfmp. The starting point is Müller's FMP book, where fundamental music information retrieval (MIR) algorithms are presented in a didactically prepared textbook. These algorithms summarize the essence from the research of many years. Then, we developed the FMP notebooks, which expand and complement the FMP book. Here, the aim is more on the teaching side. During the development of the FMP notebooks, many research-related algorithms have been collected in the libfmp package, which we now made available independent of the FMP notebooks. Thus, compared to the FMP notebooks, the research aspect is more dominant in libfmp. Due to this development, we consider libfmp an ideal tool to transition from studying (using the FMP notebooks and the FMP book) to research. The package is intended for research purposes and contains (similar to librosa) many implementations of core algorithms and advanced methods for MIR. Concerning three or more months of effort: This holds undoubtedly. The development of libfmp started a few years ago. Considering the origins in the FMP book, it even can be traced back more than a decade. Best, Frank |
Got it. Thanks for the additional context and background. @brunaw – do you think you might be able to complete your review soon? |
Dear @arfon, I will complete my review next week, my apologies for the delay. Is that okay? |
@expectopatronum Just my two cents of the previous discussion. It's a little strange to me that the FMP notebooks paper isn't cited much because, at least from my experience, the notebooks are widely known in the ISMIR community. I know a few people who have used it in their research so they might have missed it when writing their references. This also leads to the age question, the first time I got to know the FMP notebooks was about ~3 years ago, and they were already very well developed/organized by them, so the software is certainly older than 6 months. I hope this helps with something. |
Absolutely! Thanks for the update. |
OK. 10.5281/zenodo.5113869 is the archive. |
@whedon set v1.2.1 as version |
OK. v1.2.1 is the version. |
@whedon recommend-accept from branch paper |
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@fzalkow – could you please merge this PR which fixes your paper: meinardmueller/libfmp#5 |
Done! |
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Awesome! Many thanks, @arfon, @brunaw, and @expectopatronum for the fantastic review process! 🥳 |
@fzalkow Thanks as well, it was nice working with you! Congrats on your paper! |
@fzalkow No problem at all, it was a pleasure, congrats on the excellent work 😊 |
Submitting author: @fzalkow (Frank Zalkow)
Repository: https://github.com/meinardmueller/libfmp
Version: v1.2.1
Editor: @arfon
Reviewer: @brunaw, @expectopatronum
Archive: 10.5281/zenodo.5113869
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