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Wallet Update v 035 to v 100, 100.1 #2143

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freespirit8614 opened this issue Oct 17, 2021 · 50 comments
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Wallet Update v 035 to v 100, 100.1 #2143

freespirit8614 opened this issue Oct 17, 2021 · 50 comments

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@freespirit8614
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Describe the bug (Please enter details, the more detail the better)
I don't know what is going on over there as far as moving from v 035 to 100 and 100.1. (have been unable to do update 100.2 so far)
I have been trying to complete this update for over 6 days now.

I have cleared cache three times. Furthest I have been able to get ever in the synch is 5, 402,093.
Currently it is stuck going between 5,134,053 and 5,134,054, Back and forth, Back and forth between 053 and 054 for over an hour and a half now. VERY frustrating.
Currently it is showing 5,134,054/5, 516,293. Right side of slash mark keeps going up and left side of hash stays stuck bouncing betwee 5,134,053 and 5,134,054

As others have commented
Synch of blocks on right side of the synching always goes so fast in relation to actual wallet blocks synching and then percentage keeps dropping until I have to restart the app for the wallet and start over.

In addition

It crashes my computer, (Windows 7) on multiple crash report:

MEMORY MANAGEMENT
IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
SYSTEM SERVICE EXCEPTION
PAGE FAULT
INTERRUPT EXCEPTION NOT HANDLED
CLOCK INTERRUPT
DRIVER NOT LESS BUT EQUAL TO

The current Neuron synch upload is my very WORST EVER wallet experience ever. It has been the longest, most tedious, most unsuccessful, tiring, frustrating, wallet of any of the 20 different investments I have made in the future of blockchain technology.

And if you over at NERVOS intend to be the leader in the Next Generation Blockchain, and I have heard GREAT THINGS ABOUT YOU, YOUR TECHNOLOGY, YOUR FUTURE in the Next GEneration Blockchain space. this wallet SERIOUSLY has to get fixed. The other end user experience so far is AWFUL.

Hope you can get it fixed soon before people like me, early investors who really WANT to believe in you and stick with you long term, don't get so frustrated that they cash up and leave you for other opportunities in this space.

And it is 2 hours now and the synch is still stucl moving between 5, 134,054/5,582,293 and 5,134,053/ 5,584, 293.....After six days of this, rebooting your app every 5-15 minutes, with no success or completion, I have about had it....

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kellyshang commented Oct 18, 2021

Hi @freespirit8614 , firstly we apologize for the inconvinience.

As a POW chain and for the safety to your property's reasons, the CKB node is now bundled in the Neuron and will be launched by default when start Neuron, so Neuron is connect to the bundled CKB node by default but not to a centralized rpc node. Thus the multi-process may stall the computer's performance.
Even so, you can connect to a remote centralized rpc node which you think is safe thus the bundled ckb node won't be launch and may have less impact on your PC's performance.

So that we can check the problem more accurately:

  1. Could you provide your PC's Computer configuration, including how many CPUs & Memory of your PC?
  2. Could you help upload your Debug info zip file from the menu Help - Export Debug Information?
  3. When it crash, could you please provide the screenshot of the task manager (especially expand the Neuron process) as an evidence to us?

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freespirit8614 commented Oct 20, 2021 via email

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freespirit8614 commented Oct 20, 2021 via email

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kellyshang commented Oct 20, 2021

Hi @freespirit8614 , PLZ don't reply to the notifiaction email as the mail was sent by the GitHub platform but not our private email, so we can't receive the files you attached to the mail.

PLZ drag the zip file and paste your photos into the comment input box of this issue.

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Here are the documents you requested to follow up on this issue.

neuron_debug_1634700317032.zip

General Computer Information Photo as requested
(https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/92659079/138028756-e1e9530f-664b-4937-a954-1518af1f40b0.PNG)

NERVOS WALLET DAO PHOTO 1 stuck at 5 134 154
](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/92659079/138028762-6c3d99b3-b07a-4b70-aea5-064e35239d2b.PNG)

NEURON WALLET DAO PHOTO 2 Stuck at 5 134 053
](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/92659079/138028873-510ec568-bc13-4b0b-b928-786b872e8182.PNG)

Crash REPORT. Note this was one of MANY DIFFERENT unexpected shut down of my computer during the now ten days of trying to synch from v 0.035.0 to v 0.100.0, 0.100.1 and 0.100.2. Currently I am at v 0.100.2

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kellyshang commented Oct 20, 2021

Hi @freespirit8614, Great thanks for your detailed log files & screenshots for us.

It seems your CKB node data has been broken that may caused by the crash of your PC's BlueScreen which happend on 10/10/2021, though we are not sure how the BlueScreen was happened for now.

So the broken CKB node data ( %AppData%\Neuron\chains\mainnet\data folder) on your computer need to be deleted mannually and then restart to re-sync...

P.S. To speed up the sync process, I provided a full CKB node data which has been synced to block height of 5662203 ( can refer to https://talk.nervos.org/t/ckb-v0-100-0-updated-to-block-5662203-speed-up-your-ckb-node-neuron-wallet-syncing-with-compressed-block-data/6233 ), you can download the data zip file and uncompress it to your CKB node data folder.

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hi KellyShang,

Thank you for looking into this.

Before I screw anything up further let me just confirm:

So when I type in %AppData%\Neuron\chains\mainnet\data as advised I see the following. See screenshot.

NEURON Dara folder

So do I simplu delete EVERYTHING in that folder or just PART of it?

  1. Next when I use your install full CKB node data, synched to block height 5662203, How EXACTLY do I do that? I am not experienced in these matters and a step 1,2,3,4 would be most helpful so I get it crorectly installed.

I will wait to hear from you before I go charging into deleting or adding anything so I don't make a royal mess off it! Lol.

Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.

Thanks.

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step 1. delete the whole data folder ;
step 2. download the CKB node data zip file from the shared link;
step 3. uncompress the zip file to the %AppData%\Neuron\chains\mainnet folder, then there will be a new data folder under the mainnet folder;
step 4. restart Neuron.

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Thank you Kelly Shang. I am downloading now and it looks like it will take some time in the zipping of the file.
However once downloaded, I will follow your directions exactly as written in your message above.
I will also respond again when all is completed or if I have any further issues we can solve together.
Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Well I downloaded the zip file, unzipped it and saved the files. I then asked it to replace and save.
I opened the wallet again and wallet opened BUT started NOT at your block height of 5,662,203 but reverted back to where it stuck before at 5,134,054 block height.
I have attached screenshots of both the download process unzipping the RAR file and also where it is stuck now.
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The wallet says it is still synching in green under default node,
Screen also says it is Block Synched 100%. 5,134,054/5/134,054, but the blocks are stuck at 5,134,054 and not increasing.

However, they are no longer going back and forth between 5,134,053 and 5,134,054 so that is some progress I suppose?

Well it is not progressing at all now, after waiting a half an hour longer, even though wallet still says synching it appears to be frozen.

And also, none of my Nervos DAO staking rewards show up at all, where as before in my previous screenshots I sent you, the DAO Wallet staking rewards were stuck not fully loaded at 700 something.

Did I do something incorrectly?
What do you suggest I do now?
Thanks.
UNZIP PROCESSING
Data Unzipping file
AFTER SUPPORT TASKS COMPLETED RE LAUNCH NERVOS NEURON WALLET

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kellyshang commented Oct 21, 2021

Have a try to single-clear cache(do not check the fully rebuild for now) and see if it works:
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PK did the clear cache but not check fully rebuild.

Nothing changed.

Should I give it more time or restart wallet again?

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OK I decided to go ahead and restart the wallet.

Here is what I see on my end.

No change.

What next?

RESTART SYNCH AFTER CLEAR CACHE BUT NOT REBUILD
And thanks.

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I will give this another 30-60 minutes t synch before giving up for tonight.

And will wait to hear from you as to what to try next.

Not giving up! Lol.

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Clear Cache 21 10 2021

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kellyshang commented Oct 21, 2021

hmm.. then could you have another try of double clearing cache( check the fully rebuild) which may take a long time to rebuild index.
If still not start sycing after 10 minutes, then please help export and upload the debug info again and we will have a look what happened.

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OK still not synching past where it was after 30 minutes.

I will try double clearing cache from 0.

If not doing anything after 10 minutes will send debug again to you.

Stand by.

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It has restarted from zero.

So will let it run and see if we can get past that 5,134, 054 point.

But from previous experience, yes, cache back to zero does indeed take a long time. So will let it run and if it sticks again I will let you know.

I have a friend who is a huge investor in CKB and I contacted him to see if he had had the same experience as me. He said he had zero problems synching from v 0.035.0 to the v 0.100.0, 1, 2 versions respectively. I told him I was still working with you to try to figure this all out. He recommended if we failed to figure it out I go on to other Nervos wallets (see nervos.org ecosystem page)

OK so if this does not work out re synching again form zero for the fifth time with you ( including the other 4 times I did this before I came over to github to get help), would you recommend a different wallet also? Just curious.

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Here is acreenshot of synch at 80 minute mark.

No computer crash as yet.
SYNCH at 80 min mark

Shall I just let it run through the night or shut it off?

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Better to keep it open to let it run till the sync been finalized.
If you shut it off the sync will be stopped untill the next time you start it.

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OK will do.

Right now it is 1,036,715/3,918,623 so continuing to progress without seeing a blue screen crash.

Will see how it goes overnight and give you an update when I get up. If I see another blue screen, will export the debug report again to you.

Not sure what time zone you are in but my ETA to return to the computer is in 8 hours.

Thanks for sticking with me through this wallet restore, CKB fix and synch process.

Much appreciated.

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You are welcome. If still any problem feel free to report issue to us.
Have a nice dream.

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Thank You!

STATUS UPDATE:
Stall at 7 hours (well not sure what time it actually stalled at 1,625,625/1,710,264 but it became stuck about 50,000 blocks after I went to bed) Screenshot attached.
4:30 AM synch started again.
9:30 AM Blue screen crash: DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL.
9:30 AM Restarted synch (screenshot attached)
9:40 AM debug report (attached here)

What do you suggest I do next?

neuron_debug_1634848609439.zip

STALL at 7 HOURS

SYNCH STATUS at 12 HOURS POST BLUE SCREEN IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

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ADDITIONAL STATUS UPDATE

10:15 AM CRASH at 13.5 hours into resynch
BLUE SCREEN ERROR: SAME as crash #1 DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
10:30 AM RESTART SYNCH (screenshot attached.) CUrrent progress at 2861830/2868921

The crashes of my computer to blue screen are coming faster and faster now. Just letting you know.

I have restarted wallet synching again and will contninue to do so until I hear back from you after you have reviewed the debug report from crash 1.

Please advise. Thanks!

SYNCH STATUS at 13 5 hours AFTER CRASH BLUE SCREEN 2 DRIVER_IRQL_ etch same crash message

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SYNCH BLUE SCREEN Crash Number 3. 15.5 hours intocurrent synch.

Blue screen error message different on blue screen crash number 3: MEMORY_MANAGEMENT

Restarted Synch now at 3371510/3373691 (see attached image)

I don't know what else to do at this point but keep trying to nudge the synch along again after each crash.

Your update file block height 5662203 is obviously a LONG way away from where I am now. But unless I hear back form you I will keep trying to get to that block height synch in your restore file of 5662203, even though we both decided I had to try both a partial and full clear of cache back to 0 zero..

Any other ideas from your tech end?

SYNCH PROGRESS after Blue Screen Crash number 3 at 15 5 hours synching

Thanks!

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SYNCH BLUE SCREEN Crash Number 3. 15.5 hours intocurrent synch.

Blue screen error message different on blue screen crash number 3: MEMORY_MANAGEMENT

Restarted Synch now at 3371510/3373691 (see attached image)

I don't know what else to do at this point but keep trying to nudge the synch along again after each crash.

Your update file block height 5662203 is obviously a LONG way away from where I am now. But unless I hear back form you I will keep trying to get to that block height synch in your restore file of 5662203, even though we both decided I had to try both a partial and full clear of cache back to 0 zero..

Any other ideas from your tech end?

SYNCH PROGRESS after Blue Screen Crash number 3 at 15 5 hours synching

Thanks!

BLUE SCREEN CRASH number 4 at 2:20 PM approx 18 hours.

CRASH MESSAGe: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
Also the blue screen this time said to disable BIOS memory options such as cacheing or shadowing. Suggested restarting in safe mode and disabling any recently installed hardware or software.

So where does that leave us now?

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BLUE SCREEN CRASH number 4 at 2:20 PM approx 18 hours.

CRASH MESSAGe: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
Also the blue screen this time said to disable BIOS memory options such as cacheing or shadowing. Suggested restarting in safe mode and disabling any recently installed hardware or software.

So where does that leave us now?

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SYNCH STATUS after Crash number 4 at approx 18 hours into synch

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Also, just another note, NONE of my CKB in the NERVOS DAO, and thus also no staking rewards either, have shown up yet in the block synch at 3425330/3428571.

Please let me know how you would like to proceed now after resynching back to zero, and now 4 computer crashes, happening faster and faster.

Also note in case a new tech support person looks at this,

Nowhere near the file sent me to download after we determined that my CKB node was apparently broken and it was supposed to get me to 5662203 right away. Still a long way from that in my synch. Lol.

Now what?

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kellyshang commented Oct 22, 2021

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Thanks. I will look into this.

Should I simply stop trying to synch the Nervos NEURON wallet at this time then?

And leave this support ticket OPEN for now?

I am very concerned that without the full synch, my CKB tokens and everything in the NEURON wallet DAO staking will be lost. How can we deal with this issue?

Your thoughts? Thanks kellyshang.

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Kelly Shang Here is a new idea.

I checked out the resources you sent, and thank you for those. Turns out they will not support Windows 7 which I have as a reliable operating system. And I hear terrible things about Windows 10 so I do not want to upgrade to that.

but you may be right there is a problem on my current computer.

My NEW IDEA is since the computer that may be having problems is a dedicated crypto computer, could you please walk me through how I might go to my OTHER windows computer and import everything I need to reboot the neuron wallet and then insert the CKB zip file you sent me that auto synchs starting at 5662203?

I am assuming I can get this far on my own:

  1. Download the Neuron wallet on a DIFFERENT computer.
  2. what I DON"T know is how to do is import my wallet here to over there. Is that the export private key that I need to get my wallet 1 on Neron up and running?
  3. NEXT I am assuming that I Send myself the link for the ZIP FILE you already sent to me, download that, and then reopen the Neuron wallet again, and allow the 30-60 minutes for that to synch.
    What have I missed and what do I need to do to try this experiment. Perhaps it is only that this computer I am writing you on is needing to go into the shop to fix the driver or whatever this actually is preventing the wallet from synching up and all my CKB tokens purchased and staked to show up in the wallet again like they did in v 0.0350.0

Please confirm the above or make any other suggestions and I will get right on this and hopefully this will sort it.

So I think we are getting closer now to isolating where this issue I am having is coming from after trying everything else we can think of and every other route you know to synch it!

WOW. Now LOL, this exchange could become the world record holder for LONGEST support thread on CKB Neuron issues?! Lol. Hopefully it might help someone else along the way down the line. As I said, one of my friends who is a huge believer in and investor in CKB had absolutely zero problems with his synch?!

Please confirm the above to go forward to test if the Neuron wallet and CKB synch with your zip file is the way to go and I will get right on it.

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NEW ISSUE:

Have now tried to install the new version 0.100.2 NEURON Wallet for Windows from the GitHub for the NEURON WALLET on an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COMPUTER and v 0.100.2 won't even open. I get the error message below. Can you explain this error message? I obviously cannot even proceed to try a different computer if I cannot get the new version of the NEURON wallet to even load from github.

Thanks KellyShang.

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: Neuron-v0.100.2-setup.exe
Application Version: 0.100.2.0
Application Timestamp: 5c157f86
Fault Module Name: System.dll
Fault Module Version: 0.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 5c157efa
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 00001581
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
Locale ID: 5129
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

Read our privacy statement online:
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If the online privacy statement is not available, please read our privacy statement offline:
C:\Windows\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt

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The only thing I can think of is this is also Windows 7 and perhaps the NERUON wallet doesn't even properly load for the Windows 7 operating system? Can you confirm this?

If this is so, how do I proceed. I don't have any other computer. I cannot afford to buy a new one at this time.

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KellyShang

I am trouble shooting the FIRST computer now with one of the links you sent me; This one:

https://www.drivereasy.com/knowledge/irql_not_less_or_equal-windows-7-solved/

Thanks for that assistance with the trouble shooting link. I had not realized you sent one specific to Windows 7 operating system. My bad.

I am running the sfc scan now and will write again after I have gone through all the prompts, done what is asked for any and all error messages, and then see if NEURON wallet will synch using your download zip file you sent earlier in this process.

THis still does not explain why the NEURON wallet would not even download on a DIFFERENT WINDOWS computer running Windows 7. Can you figure that one out?

I won;t give up.

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kellyshang commented Oct 22, 2021

Your wallet in the Neuron can be backup as an keystore file which can be imported to the other computer's Neuron.
See from the menu of Wallet - Backup Current Wallet.

Your CKB in the wallet won't be lost as it's on the chain, which you can check the address or transaction from the explorer https://explorer.nervos.org/ .

BTW, the new Win OS computer should be 64 bit, then you need to make sure you have installed the vc_redist.x64.exe from https://docs.microsoft.com/en-US/cpp/windows/latest-supported-vc-redist?view=msvc-160 before start the Neuron.

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Hi again Kelly Shang

I followed all windows 7 repair instructions on the repair areas possibly causing the problems as instructed from your link. (on original windows computer.) In addition, I ran a defragmentation and restarted the computer.This took several hours.

I restarted the current Neuron Wallet which appear to have linked to your repaired CKB node you sent me a few days ago as it was the latest install and wallet booted u., The wallet we started the cache from 0 then showed a block synch about 26,000 blocks farther on from where I left off before the last crash blue screen.

Synch currently running and is at 3511006/3543838.

I will let it run now and see how far it gets before it stalls, crashes or finally gets to the end of the syhch with all my CKB showing in the NERVOS DAO. Currently no CKB deposits for staking currently showing APC 3.16 % showing there.

I will let this run for the night and will write again in the morning with another report.

In addition, in the morning I will try the other windows computer and try to install the NEURON wallet there as per your other instructions outlined above in your last message.

Thanks for the reassurance on my CKB, where they are on the blockchain recorded somewhere out there in cryptoworld.

So now we cross our fingers and hope that this computer repair you suggested worked and the wallet will synch fine now.

I will let you know tomorrow how it went overnight.

Thanks for your help. You are AMAZING at customer support so far. I am truly grateful for your help.

BTW I am also hppy to write you a letter of commendation on your great work to your boss when this is all solved!

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freespirit8614 commented Oct 22, 2021

Well bad news.
I got up at 2:00 AM 4 hours ltr and dreaded blue screen AGAIN with SAME IRQL error message
Restarted computer
5:00 AM another blue screen/same IRQL error
Restarted computer again
Scan at 3783684/3786080
Will see how long it goes and how far the synch gets, but obviously the IRQL trouble shooting via the tutorial and the defragmenting the computer did not fix the IRQL error.
Is there an advanced tutorial you can offer?
Please keep in mind I am NOT an IT professional, just a regular determined tenacious person trying to solve this problem so I can complete the synch, claim my DAO rewards, and just hold the CKB tokens long term. At this point I have been working to solve this for 11 days running and there just HAS to be an answer that will fix this.

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I have now installed your suggestion: "make sure you install vc_redist.x64.exe from https://docs.microsoft.com/en-US/cpp/windows/latest-supported-vc-redist?view=msvc-160 before start the Neuron." on BOTH the old and the new computers

And this his solved the wallet install on computer #2! Hooray! Progress.

I have just now installed it on computer #1 and restarted the NEURON wallet again.

Perhaps this will help in some way as you said without it the wallet won;t load properly? I will let synch on computer #1 run for awhile and get back to you later with a progress update. Perhaps this is at the root of the blue screen crash issues? We shall see.

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PROGRESS
I was able to install and run the NEURON Wallet on Computer #2.
I was able to install the wallet.
I was NOT able to duplicate the NEURON wallet by the json file from the wallet back up (did not work, said it was not configured properly?) but thanks for your instructions there as it gave me a start.
When that did not work, I tried the seed phrase file and that DID synch the wallet over on Computer 2 and began the synch from zero and is continuing to synch as I write with no crashes so far.

Unfortunately the link you sent me with the compressed CKB starting at 5662203 expired so I could not use it on the intital reboot on Computer 2 - this one -https://www.fastmailusercontent.com/jmap/download/uebd34178/G9321e503b533a722d98f2f68bb99ed8f6f1fa7a3/NEURON%20WALLET%201.json?type=application%2Fjson&u=ebd34178&access_token=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpc3MiOiJkMDA5NDMzNzFhNTE4YjNhOWQzNzVhYzI3NTU5NDE3MSIsInN1YiI6Ikt4YjRHam9MWFg4RFNJaV9jWGR3TFZybG1TUndzallVVVR3N3lEN191RU0iLCJpYXQiOjE2MzQ5MTg0MDB9.79iNGmZBvfb74ctB8AN7i0gPdyQYE9pC35-aCspibv4

Can that link to that compressed file be reactivated by you on your end for my download to speed things up?

It would save me a lot of time as the cache started at zero and at the rate I have been going will take days to synch entirely. Lol.

UPDATE on Computer #1.

When I left the computer on at 2 am I had several Blue Screen crashes

5:00 AM BLUE SCREEN CRASH ERROR MESSAGE: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
This was the issue we thought we were solving with all my time on trouble shooting. Guess it did not work.
8:00 AM BLUE SCREEN CRASH ERROR MESSAGE: MEMORY_MANAGEMENT
9:25 AM BLUE SCREEN CRASH ERROR MESSAGE: SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION

At this point, the synch of the NEURON Wallet on Computer 1 is at 3903919/3953336

NOTE
Since my previous efforts did not solve the Blue Screen Crash problem, next I did try the other suggestion on one of the Windows 7 troubleshooting guides for crashing problems that you sent me in one of your notes above that I had not yet tried.
In that link it recommended:

Boot safe mode
Click start
Search for msconfi
Click on that when it comes up
Click the StartUp tab
Scroll to Google Chrome
Click checkbox to REMOVE CHECKMARK for Google Chrome

I restarted the Computer #1 and then booted up the NEURON Wallet again. Perhaps this will solve it? Only time will tell us that.

Current status synch: 3907345/3971336

Stand by for my next report.

And please feel free to make any other suggestions on files you feel I may not have installed right now that would make the Neuron wallet run better on BOTH computers. Thanks!

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freespirit8614 commented Oct 22, 2021

Frustration

Windows Computer 2 will not download the data\db\000041.sst file you sent due to the following error message:
see screenshot attached below

I did not see this same error message on my Windows Computer 1, but might this same lack of some Microsoft Certificate Serialized Store error apply there also and be possibly why I could not download that file from you which would have saved me a huge amount of time on this synch?

FYI: since I am one of the 0.03% of "early adopters" in the crypto space, I know of NO ONE I can speak to tech wise about this issue, or anyone who specializes in the crypto space here where I live.

YOU KellyShang are my LAST HOPE....lol....to coin a phrase from Star Wars!

Computer 2 NEURON wallet synch currently stands at 751862/3178281

Seems a bit far apart in numbers on this synch noted above, but I will wait to hear from you about what to do there.

Anyway, finish line is a very long way in the future for this synch if I cannot download your file to save me time.

I will now ill let this continue to run to see if there is another blue screen crash on yet my only remaining option for a computer to run the NEURON wallet.

Windows Computer 1

11:45 AM After latest efforts to disable Google Chrome upon start up, I had yet another blue screen crash error message: MEMORY_MANAGEMENT (second of these today since 2 AM)
I have checked and there is TONS of memory on that computer.
On the bright side, at least it wasn't the IRQL error message!>

Do you have suggestions on how to fix this?

If I cannot solve this and finish the synch, can I ever get my CKB OUT of the Neuron wallet NERVOS DAO and MOVE these tokens to another CKB compatible wallet where the entire node download is NOT required?

After a full 12 days of this I am getting really tired now....but as always thank you for your help and suggestions
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KellyShang

Well you will be happy to know that after all these many days and all our support conversations back and forth and all your amazing help, the computer #2 FINALLY JUST SYNCHED UP!!!!!

Just so you know, after trying every single Windows 7 tutorial and going through all the links you sent to me, and some I found on my own to try to synch this NEURON wallet on Computer #1, I finally gave up on that computer.

However, following your instructions to the letter, I was able to upload the NEURON wallet on Computer #2, get my CKB wallet imported, up and synching from 0, and just a moment ago, IT WORKED! I AM SYNCHED! All tokens and staking rewards in the DAO wallet are accounted for and appear in the wallet. And I AM PSYCHED!

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!

NEW QUESTIONS:

  1. To whom do I write to tell your supervisor what a great job of support you have done for me?

  2. Just curious, for safety and security, how often do people usually claim their DAO ~3% staking rewards?

Back in Mary 2021 when I made my first three tranche purchases of CKB, I left 61 CKB in my available part of the wallet for an eventual claim of future DAO wallet holdings as the wallet instructed.

Out of curiosity since the wallet finally synched, I just tried to claim my CKB staking rewards and it said I "needed at least 61 CKB to proceed". I was blocked from claiming my rewards, even thought I did have 61 CKB in the available tokens.

  1. Eventually will I need to purchase more CKB tokens to claim my DAO wallet rewards? IF so, how many will I need to purchase to execute this type of transaction? I will purchase them now once I know how many CKB to leave in the wallet for future transactions! There must be some kind of formula one uses for the amount of "gas" or whatever CKB calls it, to execute transactions.
    I am currently getting way burned on not leaving enough ETH free in my MEW wallet for example to execute transactions and the gas fees are incredibly high. I don't want to make the same mistake on CKB and NEURON wallet. So your insights there would be most helpful.

Thanks.

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kellyshang commented Oct 24, 2021

Great! Glad to hear that your second computer has finally synced!

To your questions:

  1. Actually you should thank yourself for your perseverance to solve the problem. I personally admire that. :)
  2. As to how often to claim the DAO, actually it's depends on your perspective of the CKB's future and your investment strategy but not the safety or security. Here is an explanation article of the DAO for your reference: https://medium.com/nervosnetwork/nervos-dao-explained-95e33898b1c
  3. Seems there is a missleading to the meaning of “at least 61 CKB”, actually what we want to mean is "larger than 61 CKB", because the minimum capacity of a normal CKB cell is 61 CKBytes. Here is an technical introduction to the occupied capacity of a CKB cell (the emphasis for you is on the last sentence): https://github.com/nervosnetwork/ckb/wiki/Occupied-Capacity

P.S. here is the tg group of the Nervos community for your information: https://t.me/NervosNetwork

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Dear Kelly Shang,
First of all thank you for your "vote of confidence" aka admiration in me as far as my perseverance is concerned. There has been SO MUCH TO LEARN in this phase of "early adoption" in the crypto world. This leads me to my next thank you to you.

  1. Thank you for those two article links on the NervosNetwork that you shared. Very helpful and informative and I have a much better understanding and clarity now as to the CKB's strategy long term, (as in CKB developers using BTC as a long term model for mining and halving,) how Nervos is different from other tokens and why it is such a great investment long term.
  2. I also understood better the miscommunication to "leave 61 CKB in the nervos wallet" should have been communicated to me as "larger than 61 CKB". Reading the article you sent made that much clearer in addition to your explanation outlined above.
  3. Thank you also for the link to the Telegram community online for the Nervos Community. I will look into that also

This prompts me to ask only one (shocking I know right?!) additional question about the wallet. OK two questions. Lol.

Question 1:
To keep up with synching, I noticed today when I opened the Nervos wallet that overnight there had been 8,553 CKB mined overnight, which put my synch at 99.87%. It took only 5 minutes to synch my NEURON wallet and everything worked great.

My question is at the rate of roughly that amount of mining of CKB going on per day, what would you recommend for a long term holder of CKB as far as how often to synch their wallet? Once Per day? Per week? Per month?

Question 2:

In other projects I am invested in, in tokens such as held currently in a staking pool, I need to decide on my options to either "claim" OR "claim and restake" OR "withdraw." My staking token doesn't actually go into my wallet with those projects until I actually "Claim and restake it" as my reward of additional tokens OR in staking rewards such as ETH, or wBTC, etc.

It would appear that the beauty of the DAO wallet, is that these 3% rewards model split between miners and "locked" tokens that the "rewards" for locking your CKB tokens are AUTOMATICALLY placed in the NERVOS DAO wallet and I don't need to do anything further until such time that I would sell a portion or all of my CKB tokens which for a long term hold investor is not wise as I really believe in CKB long term. (and even MORE SO since your help and support which gives me great confidence in this CKB investment I have made!)

Do I understand this correctly?

Just making sure before I close this conversation with you.

THanks.

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kellyshang commented Oct 26, 2021

Q1: the answer is anytime. Every time you start the Neuron, it will automatically try to sync to the latest block height of the chain.

Q2: Seems not that accurate. But I will ask somebody who is more professional in this area to help answer this question. :)

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freespirit8614 commented Oct 27, 2021

Hi KellyShang

Thank you for clarification on my Q1.
I look forward to your answer on Q2 from someone in that CKB NEURON DAO WALLET area.

Q3: And my final question. After working with you and having such trouble with Windows on my computer, I am thinking of switching to the LINUX system.

Does Neuron Wallet run the exact same and have fewer problems on that operating system?

Is the wallet import procedure exactly the same as it was when I moved my wallet from one Windows computer to another Windows computer? I am unclear how these wallets transfer from one operating system to another if you choose to move from say Windows to IOS or to LINUX.

Do you find that overall, you do LESS Customer Support for people who use the LINUX operating system than those using Windows?

Just curious before I make the switch.

THANK YOU and KUDOS TO YOU

BTW, I have sung your praises KellyShang, to my friend (note: a very large and very early CKB investor) and he said he was very pleased to hear that the CKB Customer Service was EXCELLENT. He was amazed and very impressed that you spent seven days straight helping me sort out my support ticket, all the different support approaches you took to solve the new issues as they came up, and that you never gave up on me or got snarky with me at all along the way.

In my experience in other projects, support can sometimes get impatient when you are a newbie. But my friend confirmed this had also happened to him, a seasoned crypto investor since 2010, and he was pleased that you KellyShang, were not only able to handle a seasoned person, but also have the patience to deal well with an inexperienced investor as well. He respected your ability in this area of support.

Anyway, your Customer Support treatment of me gave him much more confidence in the CKB project as a whole. He also said how great that was for him to know that Customer Support at CKB had people like you there for all of his friends and clients he is referring to CKB.

So you have all by yourself, as a great Customer Service person, created more loyalty from both him and I in the CKB project. He said, in addition to the great project itself, that you gave him great hope for CKB's future.

So I thought I would pass that kudos on to you.

And hopefully your supervisors will see both my compliment and his of the way you have handled this support ticket from start to finish.

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kellyshang commented Oct 27, 2021

Q3: all the operation procedure of Neuron are the same on different OS including Win/macOS/Linux. You can export wallet as an keystore json file from Neuron on one PC and import it to the Neuron on the other PC.

Actually the sync rate on Linux is faster than Win.

BTW, the data file on linux is under this folder: ~/.config/Neuron


Thank you very much for your praise of me, I'm flattered :) Actually the support work was supported by all of our team, including Neuron team, CKB team and the marketing, who were working behind.
We are glad that you and your friend have so much confidence in CKB which inspired us. Thank you! :)

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Question 2:

In other projects I am invested in, in tokens such as held currently in a staking pool, I need to decide on my options to either "claim" OR "claim and restake" OR "withdraw." My staking token doesn't actually go into my wallet with those projects until I actually "Claim and restake it" as my reward of additional tokens OR in staking rewards such as ETH, or wBTC, etc.

It would appear that the beauty of the DAO wallet, is that these 3% rewards model split between miners and "locked" tokens that the "rewards" for locking your CKB tokens are AUTOMATICALLY placed in the NERVOS DAO wallet and I don't need to do anything further until such time that I would sell a portion or all of my CKB tokens which for a long term hold investor is not wise as I really believe in CKB long term. (and even MORE SO since your help and support which gives me great confidence in this CKB investment I have made!)

Do I understand this correctly?

Actually for the design and UX, I believe that NervosDao has lots of space to be improved.
First of all, the two steps is due to the design of the script in Nervos. As long as you apply to withdraw, it can count the time for unlocking your asset within 30 days.
But I agree that it can be improved for the staking experience, For example, maybe the reward could be compound automatically with the CKB you deposit together. Such as OHM and sOHM,if today their could have an sCKB which compound the interest directly without claim and stake. It would be juicy for long term holder.
And I believe the application for withdraw model (check Tokemak)or the long term vesting model(check Curve) for token staking are the two paradigm for token economy in the future.

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Thank you for this analysis. Very thought provoking.

BTW, my wallet now is syncing beautifully on the other windows computer now. Just to be sure before I got back to you with a report, I now have tried syncing it over several different days, including today, and always syncs just fine. What a relief!

I agree with you that the overall CKB staking experience can be improved.

A automatic compound model is a great idea! And yes juicy for a long term holder like me!
The token economy of the future is still a bit unclear to me, and it obviously is evolving every single day from the tech and build perspective.
With all the hype about fad cryptos these days, (i mean like the recent "squid coin"?!) those of us investing in the fundamental blockchain ecosystem for long term hold and looking forward to a full token economy are still more in the minority.
However I do appreciate the DAO wallet hedging a bit of inflation with giving a 3% reward for my investment long term
I am trying to manually compound in some other tokens I am invested in and it is tedious and time consuming to try to do it by hand every week or so. But the compound model really does add up.
If CKB could do something automatic compound and then you on your end in the NERVOS DAO calculate that automatically, then it would be very attractive to future investors I think.

In other staking experiences, they make it so hard to understand how to actually get back and claim your tokens once the staking period is completed, that it has been very frustrating for me personally.

I will look into OHM and sOHM and also Tokemak and Curve as you suggest for more clarity on what is currently going on in the staking models of the paradigms you think are great for the token economy of the future. These references are great for my own individual education. Thanks for that. Really appreciate it.

Always more to learn for ALL of us wherever we are in this new blockchain ecosystem universe right?!

Are there any other things you think from your perspective that I should consider before we close this support ticket? I don't want to be taking up your time when you could be helping other people.

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Always more to learn for ALL of us wherever we are in this new blockchain ecosystem universe right?!

Yes I agree with you.

Are there any other things you think from your perspective that I should consider before we close this support ticket?

Seems there is no other usage problem about Neuron for you, I will close this ticket for now :)

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