MSC2997: Add t-shirt #2997

Sorunome · 2021-02-07T14:52:01Z

Rendered

Signed-off-by: Sorunome [email protected]

Please note that this proposal is meant as a joke and is not to be taken seriously

Unstable implementation: #2997 (comment)

Cadair · 2021-02-07T16:57:05Z

But what colour should they be?

SimonBrandner · 2021-02-07T16:57:24Z

And what sizes will be available?

SimonBrandner · 2021-02-07T19:32:26Z

And what sizes will be available?

Hmmm, I think we should also use something better than S, M, L and Xl... We should use some units like beard-seconds! Also, we should probably display the sizes in binary for simplicity

PaarthShah · 2021-02-07T19:54:11Z

From a purely grammatical nitpick, I have to point out that even assuming that the Matrix spec will never be complete and that there will always be more MSCs, that MSC2997 as-rendered will never be able to refer to itself.

That is to say, in the sentence "There's an MSC for that!" (emphasis mine), present on the T-shirt, it would be improper grammar for "that" to be allowed to refer to MSC2997, and thus explain the T-Shirt's existence.

Potential solutions:
Add a second line: "...and an MSC for this." ("this" being the operative reflexive pronoun to properly reference MSC2997)
OR
Disambiguate the original phrase: "If you can think of it, there's an MSC for it!"

Potential downsides of either include "ruining the joke", but I think that's a perfectly acceptable compromise for technical correctness.

MTRNord · 2021-02-08T07:45:22Z

From a purely grammatical nitpick, I have to point out that even assuming that the Matrix spec will never be complete and that there will always be more MSCs, that MSC2997 as-rendered will never be able to refer to itself.

That is to say, in the sentence "There's an MSC for that!" (emphasis mine), present on the T-shirt, it would be improper grammar for "that" to be allowed to refer to MSC2997, and thus explain the T-Shirt's existence.

Potential solutions:
Add a second line: "...and an MSC for this." ("this" being the operative reflexive pronoun to properly reference MSC2997)
OR
Disambiguate the original phrase: "If you can think of it, there's an MSC for it!"

Potential downsides of either include "ruining the joke", but I think that's a perfectly acceptable compromise for technical correctness.

What about we strikte "that" in the Text and put a handwritten "this" over it to emphanzise how the spec progress works?

proposals/2997-tshift.md

MTRNord · 2021-02-08T10:36:19Z

proposals/2997-tshift.md

+
+## Security considerations
+
+Unfortunately not all people are able to wear t-shirts, so a solution for those would have to be


what about wristbands with text for them?

This is a fair point, though I'm not sure if it would mitigate the security that a t-shirt provides. For one, the surface area of a t-shirt far outweighs that of a wristband. Wristbands can also be made from a variety of materials, some even opting for mere paper.

Not to mention the lack of area for displaying the intended messaging of the MSC.

I think if wristbands is taken as an approach, care should be taken to ensure the security and practicality of the device.

What about a hat? Or similar headware? It is more visible than a wristband and everyone that is affected by MSC tends to have a head. Or do we also want to integrate aliens via a bridge end expect headless users?

What about capes? Almost everyone has a neck and you can make them pretty big to put arbitrary messages on them. Would need to come with a disclaimer not to wear them next to aircrafts though.

deepbluev7 · 2021-02-08T10:38:01Z

Please comment on some line of the MSC, since otherwise the discussion is hard to follow, since you don't get threads!

ShadowJonathan · 2021-02-08T10:41:59Z

In all seriousness, i'd like to have one on https://shop.matrix.org, preferably in the following format;

[matrix] logo on top, and underneath, in hand-writing font; "There's an MSC for that!"

MTRNord · 2021-02-08T10:42:43Z

In all seriousness, i'd like to have one on https://shop.matrix.org, preferably in the following format;

[matrix] logo on top, and underneath, in hand-writing font; "There's an MSC for that!"

Use threads please

uhoreg · 2021-02-12T18:41:12Z

Use threads please

Yes, threads are important to use for T-shirts

proposals/2997-tshift.md

0xADD1E · 2021-02-18T17:03:15Z

proposals/2997-tshift.md

+{
+  "type": "m.t-shirt",
+  "content": {
+    "body": "There's an MSC for that!"


Should body in this case actually be the user? T-shirts are generally most useful on the user's body

As @uhoreg pointed out here it might be a plan that, moving forward, any event should have a fallback body to display.

My suggestion is simply that the t-shirt will be more useful if the body in question were to be the user's body instead of some arbitrary text.

Properly serialising the end user may however prove to be a significant implementation challenge

Oooh, do you mean like this?

{ "type": "m.t-shirt", "content": { "body": "@sorunome:sorunome.de" } }

That's a medical stuff, so it's probably depending on us to spec HL7 FHIR resource state events. ^_^

Maybe we should make it a state event, then? Since state_keys starting with @ are preserved so that they only can be set by the user themself and not by others.

Yes! And the content is quite obvious.
https://www.hl7.org/fhir/genomics.html

On the other hand, I'm quite worried that the serialization of user would require a space of t-shirt-as-rooms

0xADD1E · 2021-02-18T17:24:12Z

proposals/2997-tshift.md

+
+Instead of a shirt, a sweater or thelike could be used.
+
+Instead of just printing normal event contents on the shirt we might want to consider using


While the increased flexibility for metadata would be useful, specific care should be given to the sizing implementation. Smaller users may have issues with the fit of a room based t-shirt

It could allow us to have not only "One size fits all" t-shirts, but also "One size fits many" - at once!

KitsuneRal · 2021-02-07T17:26:31Z

proposals/2997-tshift.md

+
+## Potential issues
+
+Once the spec is complete and there are no more MSCs the t-shirt will be obsolete.


Suggested change

Once the spec is complete and there are no more MSCs the t-shirt will be obsolete.

Once the spec is complete and there are no more MSCs the t-shirt will be obsolete. That's unlikely to happen anytime soon though.

Suggested change

Once the spec is complete and there are no more MSCs the t-shirt will be obsolete.

Once the spec is complete and there are no more MSCs the t-shirt will be obsolete.

That is never going to happen, though.

erkinalp · 2021-03-19T10:54:05Z

proposals/2997-tshift.md

+Get a t-shirt with "There's an MSC for that!" written on it. This T-shirt shall include a code block
+typeset in a monospace block that should read


Suggested change

Get a t-shirt with "There's an MSC for that!" written on it. This T-shirt shall include a code block

typeset in a monospace block that should read

Get a t-shirt. This T-shirt shall include a code block typeset in a monospace block that should read

SimonBrandner · 2022-09-29T14:42:11Z

proposals/2997-tshift.md

+
+## Alternatives
+
+Instead of a shirt, a sweater or thelike could be used.


It seems shirts have not been considered which I find quite sad since I am a regular user of them

MTRNord · 2022-10-01T18:24:33Z

proposals/2997-tshift.md

@@ -0,0 +1,39 @@
+# MSC2997: "There's an MSC for that!"


Mostly for visual reference based on the current MSC state. :) Not finished in the slightest, and more a 15m photoshop adventure than anything else. But maybe it helps future readers to visualize some ideas on this MSC.

Fonts used are roboto mono regular and "Maybe Next" Regular.

yncyrydybyl · 2023-07-17T17:55:32Z

There is another draft for an implementation from @nadineminagawa. It will cover the front end and back end implementation of this MSC.
The fake handwriting should be replaced by some real handwriting. And we need to find out if we want to have the side effects.
MSC-Shirt.pdf

HarHarLinks · 2023-07-17T18:48:51Z

MSC-Shirt.pdf

please note that as long as this MSC isn't merged, the unstable prefix de.sorunome.t-shirt should be used for the backend implementation as demonstrated by MTRNord ;)
I'm not sure why the n on the frontend would be crossed out, but then I'm not a native English speaker

yncyrydybyl · 2023-07-18T10:17:53Z

I'm not sure why the n on the frontend would be crossed out, but then I'm not a native English speaker

"an" is used if the following words sounds like a vowel but "a" for a consonant sound.

We can stay with the "a". There is the example of an MP3-Player at https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/a-an-and-the

HarHarLinks · 2023-07-18T19:57:30Z

"an" is used if the following words sounds like a vowel but "a" for a consonant sound.

exactly, "MSC" is pronounced ~ "emm ess see", which means it should be "an MSC" same as "an MP3"

axelsimon · 2023-07-20T15:21:17Z

There is another draft for an implementation from @nadineminagawa. It will cover the front end and back end implementation of this MSC.

Quick nitpick: the apostrophe used on the t-shirt draft is upside down, it should be ’ (ie, heavy part up, cf. wikipedia article).

HarHarLinks · 2023-08-15T16:24:10Z

proposals/2997-tshift.md

+{
+  "type": "m.t-shirt",
+  "content": {
+    "body": "There's an MSC for that!"
+  }
+}


A POC implementation was done for CCCamp23!

The following constitutes the backend implementation

Suggested change

{

"type": "m.t-shirt",

"content": {

"body": "There's an MSC for that!"

}

}

{

"type": "m.t-shirt",

"content": {

"body": "There's an MSC for that!",

"background": "$bgcolor",

"text-color": "$fgcolor",

"size": "$size",

"fitted": $fitted,

"frontend.logo": $logo,

"backend.highlight": $highlight

},

"origin_server_ts": $timestamp

}

where

bgcolor is the shirt's color, in this case #000000

fgcolor is the frontend print's color, in this case #FFFFFF

size is the T-shirt size in T-Shirt sizes, we used S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL

optionally, fitted indicates whether it's a fitted T-shirt (boolean)

logo is whether the frontend depicts the [matrix] logo (boolean), in this case true

highlight is whether the backend implementation uses syntax highlighting (boolean), in this case true

timestamp is the creation or event start, in this case 1692049320000

Full event as implemented by us:

{ "type": "de.sorunome.t-shirt", "org.matrix.msc2997.content": { "body": "There's an MSC for that!", "background": "#000000", "text-color": "#FFFFFF", "size": "M", "fitted": true, "frontend.logo": true, "backend.highlight": true }, "origin_server_ts": 1692049320000 }

(gratz @Sorunome, you're eternalised in a couple T-shirts now.... 🎉)

(implementation accepted - MSC description updated)

We iterated for Matrix Community Summit 2023!
It is based on the extensible events for media and by extension, files.
content contains 3 blocks:

Like the media extensible events, there is the m.text fallback block in case your t-shirt manufacturer is unable to reproduce the graphic given by the file.

The m.file block holds some common properties

The m.t-shirt block (unstable prefix org.matrix.msc2997.t-shirt) specifies some t-shirt specific details

Some details of the event metadata are not shown in the backend for comprehensiveness.

Suggested change

{

"type": "m.t-shirt",

"content": {

"body": "There's an MSC for that!"

}

}

{

"type": "de.sorunome.t-shirt",

"sender": "$sender_mxid",

"content": {

"m.text": [

{ "body": "There's an MSC for that!" }

],

"m.file": {

"url": "mxc://$some_url",

"name": "$url_label",

"mimetype": "$mime",

"size": "$size"

},

"org.matrix.msc2997.t-shirt": {

"background": "$bgcolor",

"text-color": "$fgcolor",

"fitted": $fitted,

"frontend.logo": $logo

"backend.highlight": $highlight

}

},

"origin_server_ts": $event_start

}

where:

sender_mxid per https://spec.matrix.org/latest/client-server-api/#room-event-format

some_url a url in the format of https://spec.matrix.org/latest/client-server-api/#matrix-content-mxc-uris that coincidentally also works when using it with the HTTP(s) protocol instead of MXC - we used mxc://summit2023.matrixmeetup.de/conference

mime the material of the shirt, in this case t-shirt/cotton

size is the T-shirt size in T-Shirt sizes, we used S, M, L, XL, XXL, up to 5XL

bgcolor is the shirt's color, in this case #000000

fgcolor is the frontend print's color, in this case #FFFFFF (only relevant if the fallback text is used)

optionally, fitted indicates whether it's a fitted T-shirt (boolean) - our implementation lists it explicitly even if false

logo is whether the frontend depicts the graphic indicated by the m.file.url (boolean), in this case true

highlight is whether the backend implementation uses syntax highlighting (boolean), in this case true

timestamp is the creation or event start, in this case 1695283200000

Full event as implemented by us:

{ "type": "de.sorunome.t-shirt", "sender": "@me:homeserver.tld", "content": { "m.text": [ { "body": "There's an MSC for that!" } ], "m.file": { "url": "mxc://matrixmeetup.de/summit2023", "name": "Matrix Community Summit 2023", "mimetype": "t-shirt/cotton", "size": "L" }, "org.matrix.msc2997.t-shirt": { "background": "#000000", "text-color": "#FFFFFF", "fitted": true, "frontend.logo": true, "backend.highlight": true } }, "origin_server_ts": 1695283200000 }

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		## Security considerations

		Unfortunately not all people are able to wear t-shirts, so a solution for those would have to be


		Instead of a shirt, a sweater or thelike could be used.

		Instead of just printing normal event contents on the shirt we might want to consider using


		## Potential issues

		Once the spec is complete and there are no more MSCs the t-shirt will be obsolete.

	Once the spec is complete and there are no more MSCs the t-shirt will be obsolete.
	Once the spec is complete and there are no more MSCs the t-shirt will be obsolete.
	That is never going to happen, though.

		Get a t-shirt with "There's an MSC for that!" written on it. This T-shirt shall include a code block
		typeset in a monospace block that should read

	Get a t-shirt with "There's an MSC for that!" written on it. This T-shirt shall include a code block
	typeset in a monospace block that should read
	Get a t-shirt. This T-shirt shall include a code block typeset in a monospace block that should read


		## Alternatives

		Instead of a shirt, a sweater or thelike could be used.

-{
-  "type": "m.t-shirt",
-  "content": {
-    "body": "There's an MSC for that!"
-  }
-}
+{
+  "type": "m.t-shirt",
+  "content": {
+    "body": "There's an MSC for that!",
+    "background": "$bgcolor",
+    "text-color": "$fgcolor",
+    "size": "$size",
+    "fitted": $fitted,
+    "frontend.logo": $logo,
+    "backend.highlight": $highlight
+  },
+  "origin_server_ts": $timestamp
+}

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