Jack 1.9.11 on Windows 10 64bit fails with Supercollider Server

[alfonso73]

Hi all,
in the Supercollider community we are facing an issue regarding Jack and Supercollider on Windows 10 64bit.

The Supercollider server doesn't boot if Jack is installed, even if it is not running.
Strangely enough everything works fine on Windows 7 64bit with the same Jack and Supercollider versions.

any help appreciated!
thanks!

[dvzrv]

We're working towards continouos integration for all supported platforms. This might still take a while. It could very well be, that your issues are fixed in the latest version of jack2. Sadly there's no installer for it (yet)...

[alfonso73]

@dvzrv thanks! is there any guide to install jack2 without installer? Where to place files, dlls, etc...
thanks

[dvzrv]

#318 is probably the closest as it gets for now. I'm sorry, I have no background in Windows. We'll have a look into this though!

[alfonso73]

thanks. When a new installer is planned?

[alfonso73]

Hi! Is a new win installer for jack2 on the way? I'd like to test it with new Supercollider 3.10 to check if the problem about not booting SC server when jack is installed is still there or not. Many thanks!

[falkTX]

it is not in the short or middle-term plans.
so community members (radium developer) do custom builds, so you might have luck there, but they are unsupported by the jack devs.

[alfonso73]

thanks @falkTX where can i find the custom builds you are referring to?

[kmatheussen]

Hi Alfonso, Jack is included in the Radium zip files. Latest version is the topmost file here: http://users.notam02.no/~kjetism/radium/demos/windows64/?C=M;O=D However, there is no installer, so you have to copy the files manually from the zip file and into your system. I.e. find out where the old files are placed, and overwrite them. Note that I haven't tried this myself, so I don't know if it works. Maybe it doesn't work if supercollider is not compiled with mingw since this version of libjack is not compiled statically, I don't know. And also, since it's not compiled statically, there are some extra dlls you might have to copy into the same directory as jackd.exe, the same directory as the libjack*.dll files, and the same directory as the supercollider executable. Here are the files: [kjetil@localhost radium_64bit_windows-5.9.16]$ ls -laR bin/jack_local/ bin/jack_local/: total 8248 drwxrwxr-x. 4 kjetil kjetil 4096 Jan 9 2018 . drwxrwxr-x. 18 kjetil kjetil 4096 Nov 23 21:44 .. drwxrwxr-x. 2 kjetil kjetil 4096 Jan 9 2018 jack -rwxrwxr-x. 1 kjetil kjetil 342707 Jan 9 2018 jackd.exe -rwxr-xr-x. 1 kjetil kjetil 1221571 Jan 9 2018 libgcc_s_seh-1.dll -rwxrwxr-x. 1 kjetil kjetil 625604 Jan 9 2018 libgnurx-0.dll -rwxrwxr-x. 1 kjetil kjetil 1105185 Jan 9 2018 libjack64.dll -rwxrwxr-x. 1 kjetil kjetil 1988472 Jan 9 2018 libjackserver-0.dll -rwxr-xr-x. 1 kjetil kjetil 1731070 Jan 9 2018 libportaudio-2.dll -rwxr-xr-x. 1 kjetil kjetil 1401791 Jan 9 2018 libstdc++-6.dll drwxrwxr-x. 2 kjetil kjetil 4096 Jan 9 2018 win32libs bin/jack_local/jack: total 528 drwxrwxr-x. 2 kjetil kjetil 4096 Jan 9 2018 . drwxrwxr-x. 4 kjetil kjetil 4096 Jan 9 2018 .. -rwxrwxr-x. 1 kjetil kjetil 184281 Jan 9 2018 jack_dummy.dll -rwxrwxr-x. 1 kjetil kjetil 346780 Jan 9 2018 jack_portaudio.dll bin/jack_local/win32libs: total 3712 drwxrwxr-x. 2 kjetil kjetil 4096 Jan 9 2018 . drwxrwxr-x. 4 kjetil kjetil 4096 Jan 9 2018 .. -rwxr-xr-x. 1 kjetil kjetil 1173904 Jan 9 2018 libgcc_s_sjlj-1.dll -rwxrwxr-x. 1 kjetil kjetil 512607 Jan 9 2018 libgnurx-0.dll -rwxrwxr-x. 1 kjetil kjetil 806282 Jan 9 2018 libjack.dll -rwxr-xr-x. 1 kjetil kjetil 1291830 Jan 9 2018 libstdc++-6.dll [kjetil@localhost radium_64bit_windows-5.9.16]$

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On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:41 AM Alfonso Santimone ***@***.***> wrote: thanks @falkTX <https://github.com/falkTX> where can i find the custom builds you are referring to? — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#380 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ABF9p6P3yHoO80bZQs29oShQ99O0D-sYks5uzRa-gaJpZM4W2ymv> .

[alfonso73]

Many thanks! i'll give it a try and then i'll spread your clues toward the SC community.

[arraybercov]

Many thanks! i'll give it a try and then i'll spread your clues toward the SC community.

Let us know if u have any luck. I've been trying to get SC x64 and Jack2 x64 working forever

[alfonso73]

@kmatheussen I guess is to difficult to do all the substitutions by hand...I can't even find JackRouter.dll in the Radium zip.

[kmatheussen]

It shouldn't be difficult. Just replace the dll files I listed. And what do you need JackRouter.dll for? Radium doesn't include that dll file because Radium supports jack directly (that's the reason for including jack in the first place) Isn't supercollider supporting jack directly?

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On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 4:12 PM Alfonso Santimone ***@***.***> wrote: @kmatheussen <https://github.com/kmatheussen> I guess is to difficult to do all the substitutions by hand...I can't even find JackRouter.dll in the Radium zip. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#380 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ABF9p8RXqrdCP_zAW_jfx0ISnd-AbXVQks5vAhJEgaJpZM4W2ymv> .

[alfonso73]

There are some dll in your zip that i don't have in my jack and win dirs. And viceversa.
Supercollider uses JackRouter as an ASIO driver (at least on Win).

[alfonso73]

Strange thing is that on my Win7 64bit machine SC works perfectly with JackRouter (64bit). But not in Win10 64bit. I don't know what's changed exactly...

[kmatheussen]

There are more dlls in radium than in your installation because the ones in radium is compiled dynamically.. Just copy all dlls. jackrouter.dll is not a part of jack, it's just a jack client (I would think), so you should be able to use the one you have since the ABI shouldn't have changed.

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On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 4:56 PM Alfonso Santimone ***@***.***> wrote: There are some dll in your zip that i don't have in my jack and win dirs. And viceversa. Supercollider uses JackRouter as an ASIO driver (at least on Win). — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.

[alfonso73]

thanks @kmatheussen . i'll try again tomorrow and i'll report back. Main topic for me is where to copy dlls. I guess in the same dir as jackd.exe and/or in main Windows dir "C:\Windows"

[kmatheussen]

Yeah, it might work, but maybe not. I think it would make more sense to poke the ones who create windows supercollider packages to enable Jack in the next release. That would probably solve your problem right away.

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On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 7:08 PM Alfonso Santimone ***@***.***> wrote: thanks @kmatheussen <https://github.com/kmatheussen> . i'll try again tomorrow and i'll report back. Main topic for me is where to copy dlls. I guess in the same dir as jackd.exe and/or in main Windows dir "C:\Windows" — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#380 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ABF9p4hx2Sf30N6OzkvcAWOmtnqxkS0Kks5vAjuZgaJpZM4W2ymv> .

[arraybercov]

Yeah, it might work, but maybe not. I think it would make more sense to poke the ones who create windows supercollider packages to enable Jack in the next release. That would probably solve your problem right away.

I've tried in Slack and Lurk and the e-mail group to find a supercollider developer to assist with fixing Jack 2 in SC 64bit Win 10 for the better part of 2 years now, but no one has taken an interest in fixing it unfortunately. : /

[dyfer]

I think this has been resolved with Jack 1.9.17, is that right @alfonso73 ?

[alfonso73]

hi @dyfer not really because i've got a lot of trouble running Jack 1.9.17. I uninstalled it and probably i'll wait for 1.9.18 to try again.

[dyfer]

@alfonso73 have you tried the possible solution from your other thread?

[alfonso73]

@dyfer not yet because i'm in the middle of lot of other musical projects. But i plan to try soon. Probably next week if i'll have some time to take some risk about audio system issues

[alfonso73]

@dyfer tried now on a clean Win10 machine...same problems with Jack 1.9.17 as with 1.9.11 (and really even worst because Jack2 itself seems not working at all)

[dyfer]

What exactly is the problem? What are the messages when you try starting jack? What soundcard/driver are you using?

[alfonso73]

The problem is SC server not starting and giving an error code. But this happens on all my 3 Win10 machines all with different audiocards (Presonus Quantum, RME Babyface FS and the internal soundcard on this second laptop). Basically all the same problem that i use to get with Jack 1.9.11.

[dyfer]

1. what's SC error code?
2. does SC start once Jack is uninstalled?

[alfonso73]

@dyfer

1. server 'localhost' exited with exit code -1073741819
2. Yes

[alfonso73]

@dyfer another interesting thing is that if i restart SC and try again to boot i have Server: possible boot delay.
On some Windows-based machines, Windows Defender sometimes delays server boot by one minute.
You can add scsynth.exe and/or processes to Windows defender exclusion list to avoid this delay. It's safe.
If i delete the C:\Users{username}\AppData\Local\Temp\jack_db folder and i start SC again i have the server 'localhost' exited with exit code -1073741819. But then the C:\Users{username}\AppData\Local\Temp\jack_db is created again and the cycle continues....

[alfonso73]

I think i got it working now.

1. Deleted C:\Users{username}\AppData\Local\Temp\jack_db folder
2. Started QjackCtl that now after folder deleted at 1. works
3. Edit all the setup in QjackCtl selecting the ASIO driver, setting sample rate, latency etc.
4. Started SC using JackRouter.

Everything works

[dyfer]

Great. Should the issue be closed now?

[alfonso73]

@dyfer I guess yes. On the SC side it seems all working fine with JackRouter if Jack 1.9.17 is configured properly
a.

[dasBIOS]

I had the same problem that started after the installation of Supercollider.

In the end, I got it working with:

1. Uninstall Supercollider
2. Uninstall Jack 1.9.17
3. Check that C:\Users{username}\AppData\Local\Temp\jack_db folder does not exists
4. Delete "jack" records from Windows registry (search for "jack")
5. Restart the computer
6. Install Jack v1.9.11
7. Try if Jack win64 v1.9.11 is working - it should
8. Install Jack2 win64 v1.9.17
9. Try if QjackCtl (v1.9.17) is working - for me, it didn't
10. Uninstall Jack v1.9.11
11. Try if QjackCtl (v1.9.17) is working - for me, it didn't
12. Install Jack2 v1.9.17 again (without previous removal)
13. Run QjackCtl (v1.9.17) - now it should work

That's it.