Unify travel_time and duration

[jamescr]

What is the difference between travel_time and duration attributes of Route object ?

(Sorry for the delayed question related with PR #66.)

[nlehuby]

Here is my guess

• travel_time is read from an OSM tag whereas duration is set from another source.
• travel_time is an number of minutes whereas duration is a timedelta.

But beside that, I think they both have the same purpose : set a stop_time for the last stop of the trip.

[grote]

both have the same purpose : set a stop_time for the last stop of the trip.

Maybe that's a reason to unify both properties into one?

[jamescr]

I know you don't care how data is structure within OSM, but travel_time is more often used in combination with public_transport:version than duration. 😉

[grote]

Wohoo nice new photo @jamescr! 😎

I'd be fine consolidating things to travel_time. We would just need to harmonize the data type across the creators.

[jamescr]

Wohoo nice new photo @jamescr! 😎

Thanks

[pantierra]

Yes, indeed very nice photo, @jamescr! You look a bit different, than the last time I saw you :)

The OpenStreetMap terminology clearly seems to prefer duration:

• https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:duration
• https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dbus

Not even one mention of travel_time in the wiki.

[jamescr]

Yes, indeed very nice photo, @jamescr! You look a bit different, than the last time I saw you :)

Thanks, I'm getting old ;-)

The OpenStreetMap terminology clearly seems to prefer duration:

• https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:duration
• https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dbus

I did wrong a search on the wiki here and there.

Thanks for the correction, is really nice to have you back collaborating.

[pantierra]

Working on the data structre (#30) I see that travel_time has been introduced by @nlehuby. Are you using this for tags on the OSM data for Accra? Or can this be changed easily to duration, according to the specs of OpenStreetMap?

[pantierra]

There is travel_time on one wiki page. However, this seems to be wrong, as those aren't part of any approved proposal. I asked for verification on the respective mailing list.

[nlehuby]

Accra OSM mappers use the travel_time tag for the time (in min) to travel from the first to the last stop. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AccraMobile3#Tro_tro_lines

The duration is not part either of an approved proposal...

Do you want to create a proposal for that purpose ?

[pantierra]

Isn't the tag duration already official?

[Skippern]

duration is consensus, not sure if it ever was voted or even proposed on the wiki, but it was discussed on the mailing list quite some time back Aun Johnsen

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[pantierra]

I propose to do the following (within #96):

• Give the Itinerary the whole set of tags from OSM's route, so these can be used in the creators.
• Make duration a standard, but optional attribute to Itinerary
• Alter trips_creator_accra to use the travel_time tag from Itinerary.tags

This would extend the script to be more powerful, because all tags can potentially used in the creators; it also allows Accra to continue working with their current data; and it encourages use of duration (community's consensus).

It is implemented in this commit. Please check, if this is ok for you all. Thanks!

[nlehuby]

This is a good idea. I think you could apply the same logic to the Line object and keep all tags.

[pantierra]

Applied to PR #96. This also is related to #13.

[pantierra]

Resolved with accepted PR #99