Render office=lawyer

[iansan5653]

Currently law offices aren't rendered at all, which is a problem in areas such as this one in which an entire side of the block is law offices. They are useful and I see no reason not to render them. As for how they should be rendered, I suggest using the amenity pink styling with a lawyer scale icon. Even though they are really tagged as offices, they are more comparable to medical offices like shop=optician or amenity=dentist.

[matthijsmelissen]

See also #108 and #1697.

[ccamara]

I think that proposal should be extended to all types of offices (like office=architect or office=government). Copying from #108 :

As far as I see it, the main difference between most shop=* and office=* is that whereas the first sell goods, the latter sell services. For that reason I think that if it has been decided that shops have to be rendered because they might be of any interest, offices should be rendered as well, as they are at least as interesting as shops, if not more (I'm thinking now about government offices, which additionally may be considered of public interest).

It is quite another thing the already mentioned problems of readability, but IMHO that should be addressed later as a different issue (eg: by defining the right icons, colours and zoom levels), but that should come after displaying offices (I find this proposal a good workaround to be used in the meanwhile)

[abdeldjalil09]

Hi,
office=* key is already in database , why you wait to re-loading the database ?

[ccamara]

I'm not sure of having understood your comment properly. We know office=* is already present in the database, but what we are asking for is that those items tagged with them should be rendered in the default map, just as any other shop. (see my reasoning above)

[abdeldjalil09]

@ccamara Because the current milestone is "Database layout change".

[matthijsmelissen]

You're right, I fixed the milestone.

[ccamara]

Thanks to both for noticing!

[andrzej-r]

@abdeldjalil09, @ccamara what do you mean by:

office=* key is already in database [...]
?

In my PR (#3061) I had to use tags->'office' because I was getting errors saying there is no 'office' column in the table. Do you mean such column already exists in the main osm database and the problem was cause by our osm2pgsql setup used for testing?

Either way, tags->'office' does work, with or without the 'office' column.

[kocio-pl]

It probably meant that it is now available for rendering database (previously it wasn't), but this is in the form of hstore, so one has to use tags->'office', indeed.

[Tomasz-W]

Do you think #3061 resolves this issue? I don't have an idea for lawyer symbol, and I think that generic dot would be enough. Of course I'm open to any propositions and ready to try to design proper icon. What do you think?

[kocio-pl]

For a long time already I've been thinking of generic section sign (§) - we use such symbols rarely, but I think this is the proper case (pun intended 😄 ).

[Tomasz-W]

Simple section sign from https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Section_sign.svg put into 14x14 matrix:

Gist: https://gist.github.com/Tomasz-W/45897e9464e10201426f603535b180b7

[iansan5653]

What if we used a set of scales (⚖️) which are traditionally used to represent the law? Example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Balanced_scales.svg

[kocio-pl]

We use it for a courthouse already: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/symbols/courthouse.svg

[lakedistrictOSM]

I don't associate the section sign symbol with law and therefore wouldn't interpret it as a lawyer's office if I saw it on a map.

[kocio-pl]

There are example like this symbol of a law book:

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-vector/law-book-statute-paragraph-sign-icon-635919041

[lakedistrictOSM]

Perhaps it's a standard symbol for law in some countries but not all, feedback from people in other parts of the world is needed.

Scales of justice (courthouse icon but one side higher than the other) or gavel (judge's hammer) might be better icon designs.

[kocio-pl]

For me the scales and gavel are more related to the act of judging than law in general, while section sign is not that specific, but that's interesting to know what other people think about it. Comments?

[dieterdreist]

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also for me the scale and gavel refer to a judge much more than to a lawyer

[iansan5653]

A quick Google Image search for "lawyer logo" yields pretty much entirely the balanced law scales.

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[Tomasz-W]

For me, balanced scale is a symbol of justice, and "justice places" are courthouses. Section sign is taken from law books, which lawyers use everyday for their work, so it's more intuitive, I think.

[1ec5]

How about a briefcase (💼)? I think it would be more recognizable than a section sign, clever as a section sign would be. If a briefcase could be confused with other kinds of offices, that would still be better than conflating law offices with courthouses.

[kocio-pl]

We already use something close for bag shops (and the briefcase can be related to any kind of office IMO):

https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/symbols/shop/bag.svg

[turnsole80]

Re: The section sign, it's also possible that it might be confused with a dollar sign ($) at a quick glance. It's a pity, because it was a very clever suggestion :)

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[dieterdreist]

2018-03-19 11:54 GMT+01:00 Chris <[email protected]>:

Re: The section sign, it's also possible that it might be confused with a dollar sign ($) at a quick glance. It's a pity, because it was a very clever suggestion :)

every sign can possibly be confused, I don't think it is an issue that someone might confuse an $ for a § but it could be an issue that the sign is not universally understood around the globe (for me it works, but I believe it is used mainly in the German speaking countries). What about a stylized "formal" person, e.g. similar to the first one here: https://it.dreamstime.com/illustrazione-di-stock-insieme-delle-icone-dell-avvocato-image69740009

[Tomasz-W]

Is blue dot enough or do we want to use blue section sign here? What is your opinion?

[kocio-pl]

Could someone test a blue section sign rendering? I still like this idea.