Add special rendering for shop=variety_store

[kocio-pl]

1. My proposition for this kind of shop:

[Mentioned on meta-issue #1460]

[HolgerJeromin]

I read it as a smart phone in landscape mode with a % on the display.

[kocio-pl]

I'm quite happy with this icon, given the circumstances, but any other metaphor to test (like typical products found there) or maybe other means of showing "low price"?

[matthijsmelissen]

To me the proposed symbol is not recognizable (but I also don't have an alternative).

[kocio-pl]

Other ideas:

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[pnorman]

I don't know that we're going to get a suitable icon for this store.

[kocio-pl]

It's always the best if you can recognize the item just looking at its icon, but that's not the hard requirement. For example archaeological site icon was misinterpreted by some of us, but that doesn't mean it was useless to have that icon for such an important/popular item.

"Suitable" for me means "good enough", not "perfect". We may not be 100% sure when Taginfo shows <10k uses, but this limit is so high, that we can trust it's something really needed to be shown more properly than with just a dot.

[matkoniecz]

In that case none of proposed icon works and I doubt that that there will be good enough to replace generic shop icon.

[kocio-pl]

You don't know till you try. =}

I like the first one and, as I said in different comment more or less, I do believe that generic dot is better just from terrible housenumbers for POIs, but much worse than visual hint, even if not recognizable just from the shape. So for me that is a fine (although not great) solution and clearly better than current state.

However I still let the idea grow in my head, so maybe something more relevant for general public can be found. After all, more people tend to discuss tagging schemes, so I'd like more comments to know what works for most users and what not. Maybe some kind of beauty contest is needed to draw enough people attention?

[Rovastar]

I too don't think there really is a suitable icon for this. By all means try, if you like, to find one.
True, we don't have to get perfect icons just good enough but it needs to be understood by at (the very) least, say 50% of map viewing public and not easily confused with other potential things (for example , if the icon had a currency symbol on for this could it could be confused for a bank or money exchange or loans or something). I think many of us agree it is not understood clearly enough here.
About the closest in my opinion could be the icon 2 but not all these shops are dollar/pound/euro stores and having numbers looks wrong and should be discouraged.

[daganzdaanda]

The wiki actually says these are "dollar stores":

A variety store or price-point retailer is a retail store that sells inexpensive items, usually with a single price point for all items in the store. Typical merchandise includes cleaning supplies, toys, and confectionery.

In that case, I like the % sign on a tag, but the icon is too busy. Would a transparent % on a filled tag work?
(this is just a quickly pixeled image)

[matthijsmelissen]

As a metaphor for 'discount' % might work. On the other hand, it's a bit ironic that variety_store's are one of the type of stores where you'll never see %-signs in shop, as the prices are fixed (1,00 or 0,99) anyway.

What about the text .99?

[kocio-pl]

@daganzdaanda Thanks a lot!

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   6)
   7)

For me it's good, especially 6) and 7) - 4) was just a test based on 1) and I don't like its proportions now.

Maybe I should closer resemble your simpler approach to % sign, but this is the moment I'd like to make a real test on the map to know how it all really works, because I don't want it to be too prominent and black on white can look very far from violet on light brown.

[daganzdaanda]

Yes, I was thinking the same about there never being a % in a dollar-store. But it does bring across the idea of cheap stuff for me. A transparent -.99 inside a filled tag would work for me, too.
Agree about testing the ideas on a map. If it's not too much trouble I'd like to see how 6) works, and maybe a -,99 version.

[kocio-pl]

Both are acceptable for me - at least until proven otherwise in the field test =} :
8)
9)

However "testing" means getting development environment ready, and I still couldn't make it real and have no idea when I'll do it. For now creating icons is what I'm focused on and like to make a few more while I'm happy with new skills (Inkscape+Git).

[kocio-pl]

Test:

I guess darker version is better.

[HolgerJeromin]

I like the second one, too. Thanks

[dieterdreist]

Am 21.05.2015 um 18:37 schrieb kocio-pl [email protected]:

I guess darker version is better.

+1, but it is not working particularly well

[daganzdaanda]

+1 4 2nd, but maybe turn the 99 into right-angled pixel-aligned digital numbers to make them less blurry?

[matkoniecz]

It looks like shop for batteries.

[kocio-pl]

Still like 2nd, but 3rd may be better and 4th is also good for me.