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When viewing a room unauthenticated as a guest, it doesn't have any feature toggles enabled (like threads) #24513

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MadLittleMods opened this issue Feb 13, 2023 · 9 comments · Fixed by matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10651
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A-Guest-Access O-Frequent Affects or can be seen by most users regularly or impacts most users' first experience S-Minor Impairs non-critical functionality or suitable workarounds exist T-Defect X-Needs-Product More input needed from the Product team Z-Gitter Issues relating to or coming out of the Gitter migration, feature parity, etc

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@MadLittleMods
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MadLittleMods commented Feb 13, 2023

Steps to reproduce

  1. In an fresh incognito tab, visit https://develop.element.io/#/room/#gitter_gitter:gitter.im
  2. Notice that you can see messages in the room
  3. But threads are just using fallback replies and other feature toggles you expect to be defaulted to on are not working
    • For app.gitter.im, this also means dynamic room predecessors which aren't visible.

Product-wise, this was discussed internally (no conclusion yet).

Outcome

What did you expect?

Default feature toggles apply to guest accounts so you can preview a room unauthenticated as expected.

What happened instead?

Missing a bunch of features that should be turned on

Operating system

Windows 10

Browser information

Chrome Version 110.0.5481.78

URL for webapp

https://develop.element.io/

Application version

Element version: 2b779e5-react-fa036a508037-js-abc9c9dcb02f Olm version: 3.2.12

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matrix.org

Will you send logs?

No

@t3chguy
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t3chguy commented Feb 14, 2023

This is intentional according to the comment above the implementation at least https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/blob/030b7e90bf8ba09648f539dd378c0909f8773f86/src/settings/handlers/DeviceSettingsHandler.ts#L120-L123

@MadLittleMods MadLittleMods added Z-Gitter Issues relating to or coming out of the Gitter migration, feature parity, etc S-Minor Impairs non-critical functionality or suitable workarounds exist O-Frequent Affects or can be seen by most users regularly or impacts most users' first experience labels Feb 14, 2023
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"Feature toggles" should only apply to Labs flags.

Are there non-Labs features that you feel should be defaulted to on and are not today?

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andybalaam commented Mar 16, 2023

I think we're talking here about features that are turned on in the client config.

So, for example, in app.gitter.com's config file I can see "feature_dynamic_room_predecessors": true

I would definitely expect a guest user to see that feature turned on if they connected to that client.

Is this what you mean @MadLittleMods ?

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So, for example, in app.gitter.com's config file I can see "feature_dynamic_room_predecessors": true

I would definitely expect a guest user to see that feature turned on if they connected to that client.

Is this what you mean @MadLittleMods ?

👍 Yes. You can default some labs feature toggles to enabled for an Element instance so everyone experiences them by default. Everyone should include guests.

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I am discussing this with @daniellekirkwood

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What's stopping us from moving those things out of Labs?

@MadLittleMods
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What's stopping us from moving those things out of Labs?

@daniellekirkwood To me, this is mostly separate concern as there are always going to be features that haven't made it stable yet.

This also prevents us from ever testing these features as a guest before they roll out to stable.

For example, we had this situation with threads when it was enabled by default (technically considered out of labs but still behind the same feature toggle) for all users while we tested the waters and left room for us to turn back if anything catastrophic came up. The thing holding us back was confidence, bandwidth, and time.

If we're talking Gitter specifics:

For dynamic room predecessors, this is still a new feature where the implementation is still settling in, probably needs a few more tweaks to be fully ready, and MSC3946 still needs to be discussed, merged, and put into a spec version. Gitter is ok with this risk (risk profile/tolerance) since the feature is necessary to even make content accessible.

For LaTeX math, this probably mostly a case of no direct responsible individual moving it forward (it's been a feature toggle for years). MSC2191 is still open but supporting the syntax is pretty harmless because it's just readable text for any other client which is fine to fallback with.

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I'm not 100% sold on this however, it feels like a simple thing to do and I believe it will benefit the users that you're concerned about here... We didn't reach conclusion internally which means no-one has strong thoughts on the PM team.

Path forwards: Let's do it. Element Web should respect the Server's (HTML) flags settings if it's choosing to override things.

We should loop back round and discuss the Guest use case in more detail in the future but as that's not on the roadmap for 2023, let's go ahead and unblock y'all here :)

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Thanks for looking into the details, weighing everything, and biasing to action @daniellekirkwood!

Thanks for the fixing this up @andybalaam! -> matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10651

su-ex added a commit to SchildiChat/element-desktop that referenced this issue Jul 31, 2023
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* Add UIFeature.locationSharing to hide location sharing ([\#10727](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10727)).
* Memoize field validation results ([\#10714](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10714)).
* Commands for plain text editor ([\#10567](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10567)). Contributed by @alunturner.
* Allow 16 lines of text in the rich text editors ([\#10670](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10670)). Contributed by @alunturner.
* Bail out of `RoomSettingsDialog` when room is not found ([\#10662](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10662)). Contributed by @kerryarchibald.
* Element-R: Populate device list for right-panel ([\#10671](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10671)). Contributed by @florianduros.
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* ARIA Accessibility improvements ([\#10674](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10674)).
* Add arrow key controls to emoji and reaction pickers ([\#10637](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10637)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#17189.
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* Fix default content in devtools event sender ([\#10699](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10699)). Contributed by @tulir.
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su-ex added a commit to SchildiChat/element-web that referenced this issue Jul 31, 2023
* Improve Content-Security-Policy ([\element-hq#25210](element-hq#25210)).
* Add UIFeature.locationSharing to hide location sharing ([\element-hq#10727](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10727)).
* Memoize field validation results ([\#10714](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10714)).
* Commands for plain text editor ([\element-hq#10567](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10567)). Contributed by @alunturner.
* Allow 16 lines of text in the rich text editors ([\element-hq#10670](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10670)). Contributed by @alunturner.
* Bail out of `RoomSettingsDialog` when room is not found ([\#10662](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10662)). Contributed by @kerryarchibald.
* Element-R: Populate device list for right-panel ([\element-hq#10671](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10671)). Contributed by @florianduros.
* Make existing and new issue URLs configurable ([\element-hq#10710](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10710)). Fixes element-hq#24424.
* Fix usages of ARIA tabpanel ([\element-hq#10628](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10628)). Fixes element-hq#25016.
* Element-R: Starting a DMs with a user ([\element-hq#10673](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10673)). Contributed by @florianduros.
* ARIA Accessibility improvements ([\element-hq#10675](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10675)).
* ARIA Accessibility improvements ([\element-hq#10674](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10674)).
* Add arrow key controls to emoji and reaction pickers ([\element-hq#10637](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10637)). Fixes element-hq#17189.
* Translate credits in help about section ([\element-hq#10676](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10676)).
* Fix: reveal images when image previews are disabled ([\element-hq#10781](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10781)). Fixes element-hq#25271. Contributed by @kerryarchibald.
* Fix autocomplete not resetting properly on message send ([\element-hq#10741](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10741)). Fixes element-hq#25170.
* Fix start_sso not working with guests disabled ([\element-hq#10720](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10720)). Fixes element-hq#16624.
* Fix soft crash with Element call widgets ([\element-hq#10684](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10684)).
* Send correct receipt when marking a room as read ([\element-hq#10730](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10730)). Fixes element-hq#25207.
* Offload some more waveform processing onto a worker ([\element-hq#9223](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#9223)). Fixes element-hq#19756.
* Consolidate login errors ([\element-hq#10722](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10722)). Fixes element-hq#17520.
* Fix all rooms search generating permalinks to wrong room id ([\element-hq#10625](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10625)). Fixes element-hq#25115.
* Posthog properly handle Analytics ID changing from under us ([\element-hq#10702](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10702)). Fixes element-hq#25187.
* Fix Clock being read as an absolute time rather than duration ([\element-hq#10706](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10706)). Fixes element-hq#22582.
* Properly translate errors in `ChangePassword.tsx` so they show up translated to the user but not in our logs ([\element-hq#10615](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10615)). Fixes element-hq#9597. Contributed by @MadLittleMods.
* Honour feature toggles in guest mode ([\element-hq#10651](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10651)). Fixes element-hq#24513. Contributed by @andybalaam.
* Fix default content in devtools event sender ([\element-hq#10699](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10699)). Contributed by @tulir.
* Fix a crash when a call ends while you're in it ([\element-hq#10681](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10681)). Fixes element-hq#25153.
* Fix lack of screen reader indication when triggering auto complete ([\element-hq#10664](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10664)). Fixes element-hq#11011.
* Fix typing tile duplicating users ([\element-hq#10678](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10678)). Fixes element-hq#25165.
* Fix wrong room topic tooltip position ([\element-hq#10667](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10667)). Fixes element-hq#25158.
* Fix create subspace dialog not working ([\element-hq#10652](matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk#10652)). Fixes element-hq#24882.
su-ex added a commit to SchildiChat/matrix-react-sdk that referenced this issue Jul 31, 2023
* Add UIFeature.locationSharing to hide location sharing ([\matrix-org#10727](matrix-org#10727)).
* Memoize field validation results ([\matrix-org#10714](matrix-org#10714)).
* Commands for plain text editor ([\matrix-org#10567](matrix-org#10567)). Contributed by @alunturner.
* Allow 16 lines of text in the rich text editors ([\matrix-org#10670](matrix-org#10670)). Contributed by @alunturner.
* Bail out of `RoomSettingsDialog` when room is not found ([\matrix-org#10662](matrix-org#10662)). Contributed by @kerryarchibald.
* Element-R: Populate device list for right-panel ([\matrix-org#10671](matrix-org#10671)). Contributed by @florianduros.
* Make existing and new issue URLs configurable ([\matrix-org#10710](matrix-org#10710)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#24424.
* Fix usages of ARIA tabpanel ([\matrix-org#10628](matrix-org#10628)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#25016.
* Element-R: Starting a DMs with a user ([\matrix-org#10673](matrix-org#10673)). Contributed by @florianduros.
* ARIA Accessibility improvements ([\matrix-org#10675](matrix-org#10675)).
* ARIA Accessibility improvements ([\matrix-org#10674](matrix-org#10674)).
* Add arrow key controls to emoji and reaction pickers ([\matrix-org#10637](matrix-org#10637)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#17189.
* Translate credits in help about section ([\matrix-org#10676](matrix-org#10676)).
* Fix: reveal images when image previews are disabled ([\matrix-org#10781](matrix-org#10781)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#25271. Contributed by @kerryarchibald.
* Fix autocomplete not resetting properly on message send ([\matrix-org#10741](matrix-org#10741)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#25170.
* Fix start_sso not working with guests disabled ([\matrix-org#10720](matrix-org#10720)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#16624.
* Fix soft crash with Element call widgets ([\matrix-org#10684](matrix-org#10684)).
* Send correct receipt when marking a room as read ([\matrix-org#10730](matrix-org#10730)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#25207.
* Offload some more waveform processing onto a worker ([\matrix-org#9223](matrix-org#9223)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#19756.
* Consolidate login errors ([\matrix-org#10722](matrix-org#10722)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#17520.
* Fix all rooms search generating permalinks to wrong room id ([\matrix-org#10625](matrix-org#10625)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#25115.
* Posthog properly handle Analytics ID changing from under us ([\matrix-org#10702](matrix-org#10702)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#25187.
* Fix Clock being read as an absolute time rather than duration ([\matrix-org#10706](matrix-org#10706)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#22582.
* Properly translate errors in `ChangePassword.tsx` so they show up translated to the user but not in our logs ([\matrix-org#10615](matrix-org#10615)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#9597. Contributed by @MadLittleMods.
* Honour feature toggles in guest mode ([\matrix-org#10651](matrix-org#10651)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#24513. Contributed by @andybalaam.
* Fix default content in devtools event sender ([\matrix-org#10699](matrix-org#10699)). Contributed by @tulir.
* Fix a crash when a call ends while you're in it ([\matrix-org#10681](matrix-org#10681)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#25153.
* Fix lack of screen reader indication when triggering auto complete ([\matrix-org#10664](matrix-org#10664)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#11011.
* Fix typing tile duplicating users ([\matrix-org#10678](matrix-org#10678)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#25165.
* Fix wrong room topic tooltip position ([\matrix-org#10667](matrix-org#10667)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#25158.
* Fix create subspace dialog not working ([\matrix-org#10652](matrix-org#10652)). Fixes element-hq/element-web#24882.
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