Improve ways to install & documentation for it #2250

h-vetinari · 2019-01-31T15:24:57Z

I've been trying to use podman - forced by RH policy of not upgrading the docker runtime in RHEL anymore, and so far it has been far from a drop-in replacement.

Since the last release I have access to within the newest RHEL7.6 is podman 0.11.1, I can't even start filing all the bugs I'm encountering, because - who knows - maybe they're fixed on master already.

So off I go trying to install this somewhere I fully control. This leads me to this issue:

besides just the default install ([apt-get|yum|...] install podman), there should be clear documentation for getting the latest version.
- currently there are at least two installation/build tutorials which have a non-empty symmetric difference: one linked from podman.io, and one in the main repo
- I have a centOS machine at hand, but that is not documented where the updates are mentioned
- podman is not in the EPEL repo
ok, so building from source then.
- build call is quite different from main install page
- even though the build succeeded, I still can't use podman build (with a cryptic error), almost certainly because I'll need to install buildah.
- and so on for skopeo/runc/...?
make using latest versions easier
- why not provide an RPM package?
- same for Ubuntu/Debian - why not provide a .deb package?
podman for windows not available...

So far, the experience has been incredibly frustrating (simple things like tagging don't work, caching is hit-and-miss [+ some weird interactions with keywords], podman build and buildah bud don't share cache, --target is not supported, etc. etc.).

Although I'm hoping that some of these bug fixes will still make it into RHEL8.0 (so that I can maybe use it later this year), current status is that I'll have to go back to the lack of features (but much greater stability) of docker 1.13.

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rhatdan · 2019-02-23T13:17:57Z

@h-vetinari Have you gotten access to a newer version of podman?

h-vetinari · 2019-03-04T06:49:53Z

@rhatdan: @h-vetinari Have you gotten access to a newer version of podman?

Unfortunately, no. It would be nice to have install-procedures that boil down to a .deb or .rpm (as well as consistent documentation for it), hence this issue....

rhatdan · 2019-03-04T12:31:59Z

I am not sure why on a RHEL machine you are having a hard time getting access to podman? It should be in your extras channel. Which is the same location that you got docker from. On Centos packages have been made available, but I am not sure where. @lsm5 Where are the packages from Centos.

h-vetinari · 2019-03-04T13:09:41Z

@rhatdan, I have podman on the RHEL machine, but not the latest version, much less master. If you want me to file bug reports against v.0.11, I can.

See OP:

Since the last release I have access to within the newest RHEL7.6 is podman 0.11.1, I can't even start filing all the bugs I'm encountering, because - who knows - maybe they're fixed on master already.

Side note: the productive RHEL machine is not under my full control - particularly, I can't just download stuff. On other machines I can test (e.g. CentOS), I have more liberty.

rhatdan · 2019-03-04T13:56:42Z

@lsm5 Do we have a newer version of podman for RHEL7.6 yet?

tobwen · 2019-03-04T17:27:32Z

I have had a look at packaging podman for Debian, but from my point of view, the current Ubuntu packages made it way too complicated.

Since I want to run podman rootless inside the user podman and don't others be abler to run it, building the whole stack is pretty straight forward. Though there are some cmd-parameters missing in podman, which pointto slirp4netns binary for example, but this can be hacked by path variables.

I'll release my code in the next days. Need to finish something for University first.

h-vetinari · 2019-03-06T15:45:27Z

@tobwen
Good to know! Please let me know on this issue once you have something!

@lsm5 @rhatdan
Would be cool to have a new version in RHEL 7.6 (also including buildah 1.7, because I need --target as well, cf. containers/buildah#632). I have a couple issues I'd like to file that I need to replace docker with podman.

rhatdan · 2019-03-07T19:25:58Z

Yes These should be released on the next release of extras.

tobwen · 2019-03-07T19:35:16Z

@h-vetinari some prototypes... I'm using the ugly bash script to keep traffic to the GIT servers low. Sure, you can just wipe the GO-directory and build from scratch. This works for me on rootless. Only fuse3 installations needs root of course.

HOWTO: backport fuse3 for Debian Stretch

https://gist.github.com/tobwen/c1fc1512458ce272aee2410e36cf1e21

HOWTO: install podman and dependencies rootless

https://gist.github.com/tobwen/25a010d3b90a6491e5646c0e77163557

I'll add some examples for config files to podman soon. Right now, it won't find the other libraries and tools without making them available in path, change the path variable or add command-line parameters.

h-vetinari · 2019-03-11T10:04:49Z

@tobwen
Thanks for the prototypes, will have a look into them when I can.

@rhatdan
Is there any ETA (or standard cadence) on the next round of extras?

rhatdan · 2019-03-11T14:16:21Z

@lsm5 ^^

h-vetinari · 2019-03-28T12:47:59Z

Pleasantly surprised to see that install.md now has a ppa for ubuntu. Bit surprised that the installed version is 1.2-dev (as opposed to last stable), but that's good for filing bugs at least. ;-)

This should however still be updated in docs/tutorials/podman_tutorial.md.

@rhatdan @lsm5
Any news when a newer podman will hit 7.6 EPEL?

lsm5 · 2019-03-28T12:59:36Z

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 05:48:02AM -0700, h-vetinari wrote: Pleasantly surprised to see that [`install.md`](https://github.com/containers/libpod/blob/master/install.md#ubuntu) now has a ppa for ubuntu. Bit surprised that the installed version is `1.2-dev` (as opposed to last stable), but that's good for filing bugs at least. ;-)

1.2-dev because master branch is built nightly via Travis. Snap packages are planned, but that might take a while.

This should however still be updated in [`docs/tutorials/podman_tutorial.md`](https://github.com/containers/libpod/blob/master/docs/tutorials/podman_tutorial.md). @rhatdan @lsm5 Any news when a newer podman will hit 7.6 EPEL?

Never on EPEL, unless you mean CentOS Extras or Virt SIG? Virt SIG I'll update soon, though CentOS Extras might take a while.

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h-vetinari · 2019-03-28T13:06:40Z

@lsm5 Thanks for taking the time to answer

1.2-dev because master branch is built nightly via Travis.

OK, cool

Any news when a newer podman will hit 7.6 EPEL?

Never on EPEL, unless you mean CentOS Extras or Virt SIG?

Sorry if the naming was wrong, I meant RHEL 7.6 extras. Point being, when can I install something newer than podman 0.11.1 on a RHEL 7.6 machine?

lsm5 · 2019-03-28T13:14:58Z

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 06:06:43AM -0700, h-vetinari wrote: @lsm5 Thanks for taking the time to answer > 1.2-dev because master branch is built nightly via Travis. OK, cool > > Any news when a newer podman will hit 7.6 EPEL? > Never on EPEL, unless you mean CentOS Extras or Virt SIG? Sorry if the naming was wrong, I meant RHEL 7.6 [extras](https://access.redhat.com/solutions/3418891). Point being, when can I install something newer than podman 0.11.1 on a RHEL 7.6 machine?

Looks like 0.12.1.2 was shipped about 2 months ago. Aren't you seeing that one? Something newer than that will take a few weeks more I guess. -- Lokesh IRC, GitHub: lsm5 GPG: 0xC7C3A0DD https://keybase.io/lsm5

rhatdan · 2019-04-13T09:51:47Z

@h-vetinari @lsm5 What is the latest on this issue?

h-vetinari · 2019-04-14T18:02:25Z

@rhatdan
For this issue specifically, I think the only thing left to do is:

@h-vetinari: [install instructions] should however still be updated in docs/tutorials/podman_tutorial.md.

Regarding other points in the discussion, I'd need to have an update of podman/buildah in the RHEL 7.6 extras channel as soon as possible, but before I'd really need for containers/buildah#1456 and #2887 to be fixed first. Can open a separate issue for this if you want.

h-vetinari · 2019-04-30T05:40:30Z

@rhatdan
In building podman I stumbled again on the differences between the different build instructions (and some smaller errors).

Would you accept a PR to merge the installation instructions from docs/tutorials/podman_tutorial.md into install.rst, and just have a pointer to that from the tutorial?

TomSweeneyRedHat · 2019-04-30T10:54:32Z

Why *.rst and not *.md?

h-vetinari · 2019-04-30T11:31:19Z

@TomSweeneyRedHat Why *.rst and not *.md?

Because I typed the filename from memory and got the extension wrong... Sorry.

rhatdan · 2019-04-30T13:34:16Z

@h-vetinari Yes we would love a PR.

TomSweeneyRedHat · 2019-04-30T13:48:48Z

@h-vetinari no worries on the file name. Personally, I'd like to see the install instructions be their own page with a link from the tutorial.

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BUG: global ARG not shown as build step containers/buildah#1503

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BUG: cannot run rstudio server in podman container #2887

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BUG: caching does not work correctly with ARG containers/buildah#1507

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Update podman in RHEL extras #3044

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