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Explore options for standardizing and extending theme.json design tokens for colors #39372
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As part of getting this discussion going, I'm going gather up and summary existing suggestions, then outline the semantic-ish system we've built for our non-theme.json agency themes. In #38998 and its accompanying blog post, @mrwweb suggested "foreground, background, primary, secondary, and accent", and @richtabor suggested nearly the same set, minus "accent". I think background is fine, but I agree with @aristath on "foreground":
"Text" is more clear. @karmatosed gets at my main issue with "primary"/"secondary", and "accent" to a lesser degree:
"Accent" at least conveys some usage intent, but primary and "secondary" are far too vague. Nothing about "primary" tells me if it's safe to use as the color of text in a link or heading, or what background color might contrast with it. Commenters in #29568 also suggested "light" and "dark", including @richtabor:
The problem with this is that there's more to a dark theme than just light text. Links, for instance, will likely be illegible and inaccessible, and buttons might be the same color as the background color. I think this is better addressed by standardizing on requiring light/dark palettes. (more on that below) To meaningfully standardize, the color names need to convey at least a broad intended use case, or a pattern that uses "primary" for the headings will look great in one theme while being illegible in another. With that in mind, my baseline semantic colors are:
Additionally, these semantic colors are automatically computed if not explicitly supplied:
I also define these, which is where things get slightly more fuzzy but are more clear than "primary" or "secondary":
For these or any other more abstract terms, it will be important to establish expectations on how they will be used, even if many themes might even set them to be the same color as links or buttons. I also generally add success, warning and error colors to use with form fields. They don't often change in different areas of the site, but it would be nice if themes shipped these so plugins could more easily fit in with the overall design. View sample output: --text-color: #000000;
--text-shadow-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.5);
--background-color: #ffffff;
--background-shadow-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.25);
--link-color: #0000cd;
--link-color-shifted: #800080;
--button-color: #87cefa;
--button-color-shifted: #dda0dd;
--button-color-inverse: #000000;
--highlight-color: #ff1493;
--accent-color: #008b8b;
--error-color: #ff0000;
--warning-color: #ffff00;
--success-color: #008000; This set of colors is then easy to use when developing other components, since you already broadly know how they are intended to be used. Examples:
Additionally, systemizing colors this way makes it easy to add additional palettes, most common of which are light and dark. Light/dark themes defined this way1 ensure other supporting elements still look good on the new background and also make it so users don't have to manually select text, link or button colors when using a non-default background color (though they'd still have the option to). (#34717) I think that expecting light/dark palettes would be a reasonable baseline requirement, since nearly every site has some bit of the design where the default color scheme is flipped. Beyond light/dark, I can easily imagine adding a "callout" palette with brighter, bolder colors, or an "aside" palette with muted colors for supplementary information. (Adding a UI for this concept is sort of what I was getting at in #39028) Footnotes
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Thanks for laying out all that context @cbirdsong!
I really like the set of baseline semantic colors described there. I think when we're thinking of standardising naming, when the naming is as close to un-opinionated as possible (e.g. it's tied directly to a CSS property), that sounds like something where it feels like we're likely to come up with something that could be quite stable. Like you've flagged and from the earlier discussions, for some of the more opinionated ideas (like accent or highlight color), I could imagine us changing our minds at some point, and then needing to make tweaks or design changes, particularly as trends in web design shift over time. Personally, I quite like the grouping possibilities of accent or highlight, and how it could be used across blocks, but my concern would be that since its imprecise language (in terms of which elements or CSS properties are actually targeted), it could be used in different ways (or require further tweaks) which means they might not be quite stable. So, I was wondering if it'd be at all worth it to think of categorising the naming into "stable" and "unstable" names somehow? For example, we might say, "text" and "background" are naming conventions we're committed to treating as a stable API. The opinionated ones, e.g. "accent", "highlight", "light, "dark", might change, or are (at least slightly) open to interpretation by different themes. So, these might become an "unstable" set of colors, where folks who use them need to accept that they could change in the future? I suppose my main thought is whether it'd be helpful to tease apart which ideas make sense right now for current design trends, but those trends could change, and which ideas appear to be more universal 🤔 |
I don't think setting out to create an "unstable" set of colors is a good idea, and I also don't think that anything about this idea will necessarily be tangled up in current design trends. The fundamentals of choosing colors to ensure legibility have been the same since the days of "web-safe colors", and as long as the structure is grounded in basic utility and clarity for both users and developers it will be relatively future proof. Changes may eventually be necessary, but ideally those would take the form of new tokens, not radically redefining the use of an existing one. The most important distinction for this kind of system is if the color is intended to be used as a text color or background color and needs to meet contrast requirements to ensure legibility, or is intended to be used as a supporting element and has no immediate accessibility/usability implications. Ensuring clarity in use seems like a good way to determine how to name things and what's included, and from that perspective, text color and background color are obviously very clear, as is link color and any variant states. Conversely, light and dark are clearly not a good inclusion because they don't carry any awareness of the overall palette being applied to the site/block. We wouldn't want a plugin to use "dark" for something intended to contrast with the background if it's already on a dark background and the surrounding text color is light. The rest are a more mixed bag. In order of clarity, with notes on potential usefulness: Highlight color would be pretty clear if it was renamed focus color. Adjusting that isn't currently surfaced in the site editor or block settings, but supplying a known valid focus color would be very helpful in ensuring plugins accessibly implement forms and other interactive controls, and maybe it could eventually be added to the editor. Button color could be fairly clear, depending on the implementation details within buttons. For instance, I'd expect "button color" to correlate to the fill color of the button when applied to the default button, but on the "outline" style I'd expect that to be the border/text color. I'm not sure how easily a generic "button color" can be applied without reworking how the button CSS is structured overall, and it would also require a "button color inverse" to use for the text on top of the button when it isn't an outline button. However, there is clear value in including button-related colors for use in forms. Maybe it would make sense to have separate tokens for "button text color" and "button background color"? The use case of form success, warning and error colors is clear, but it would not be immediately obvious if they are intended as text/background colors or highlight/accent colors. Maybe the tokens could have modifiers like "success color text", "warning color background", "error color focus", etc? Finally, accent color. I feel like "accent" conveys "intended to be used in support of text" much more than "primary" or "secondary", but the existence of Even with a good name, "accent" might not be useful without some indication if the color is closer to the text color or background color. It might be useful to split it into lighter/darker options in terms of text/background color, like "accent color text" or "accent color background"? |
@cbirdsong Thanks for laying out these initial thoughts! They are a fabulous springboard for a conversation. I think whatever system comes out of this must start from what you said here:
With that in mind, I wonder if we can salvage the primary/secondary color names. Tell me if this is wrong, but I think most people think of primary and secondary as meaning "primary background" and "secondary background". Similarly, I suspect most people interpret "accent" or "highlight" as "foreground accent" or "foreground highlight". I agree with some of the confusion around foreground/background, but I also wonder if that or light/dark can be the key to unlocking contrast-safe (and least most of the time) naming combinations. What would people think about
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I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Color is so different from font sizes or margin/padding, which are fairly easy to standardize. I've worked on sites with 3 colors in the palette, and sites with 12 colors in the palette (and all of them used). There are also wildly different naming schemes (which are also heavily dependent on number of colors in the palette). How to create standards for something that is so variable from theme-to-theme? And, when doing so, how to prevent those standards from being too prescriptive (so as to not discourage creativity)? I just don't know if it's possible. Would some kind of remapping interface be more viable here? For example, what if we defined a bare minimum of standard colors that would really be needed for all sites. Something like:
All other colors are free-defined in
The user then wants to swap to another theme. This theme uses a color palette that defines the 4 standard colors (
During the theme swap, all 4 of the standard colors obviously remap themselves 1:1. For the other colors, an interface appears that allows the user to map Let's say our user decides all instances of There are obviously some gaps in the concept here, but figured I'd throw out the idea to see what y'all thought. |
Broadly, I think including "light" and "dark" in preset names will invite misuse from theme/plugin authors that use them assuming the content is appearing on a light background. They need to be more generic, and ideally tied into a system like this:
Primary/secondary/tertiary variants of more explicitly defined properties might be a good way to keep those words in the mix, but it would mean that if you wanted to use them in CSS you'd have to account for them being missing: .my-cool-block {
background-color: var(--wp-background-color-tertiary, var(--wp-background-color-secondary, var(--wp-background-color-primary)));
} Alternately, I guess, the editor could generate redundant custom properties for colors themes don't define: :root {
--wp-background-color-primary: #191970;
--wp-background-color-secondary: var(--wp-background-color-primary);
--wp-background-color-tertiary: var(--wp-background-color-secondary);
} Either way, tertiary is probably as far as that should go? |
Been thinking more about colors! Specifically - how to handle properly providing sensible color contrast defaults. I had elsewhere advocated for adding If the editor handles assessing color lightness or darkness real-time (as it does with the Cover block), that will break two features:
Instead, it probably makes sense for WP to assess each color in For example, let's say this is an example
which would then output CSS that roughly looks like this:
This is another rough concept, but the idea would theoretically provide good default color contrast while preventing issues with color changes in Global Styles or |
@marceloaof that's an incredibly thorough list! Thanks for doing all that work! Honestly, the broad array of color names used in what is (at the moment) a relatively small number of themes reinforces to me that trying to establish a standard naming scheme for colors isn't going to work and a color remapping system would be more viable. |
This is a really good blog post about structuring and naming variables used for colors: https://jwdallas.com/posts/namingcssvariables/ |
What problem does this address?
Background discussion.
On the above issue, there was some consensus that there would be value in exploring the options for standardizing and extending theme.json design tokens in relation to colors.
This blog post provides a good introduction to some of the reasons for this.
N.B A lot of the discussion in relation to this has already taken place here , so please read that as background. The purpose of this issue is not to repeat all of that discussion, but rather to try and summarise what has already been discussed and to decide on some action points that could be used to prioritise/prototype some ideas to try and move this forward.
This is intended to be a top-level issue for some of the initial discussions, with a number of smaller issues likely needed to prototype/progress the work.
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