New Topic - Materialism #7240
New Topic - Materialism #7240
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Barnum Effect is a fun conclusion of psychology. I think it suits Monika pretty well.
I have to admit this is really a controversial topic. It may cause someone's dislike. Please tell me how to change it. I accept all advice.
I don't think we need description for this.
What's more, The robot even has extremely realistic facial expressions... ↓ What's more, this robot even has extremely realistic facial expressions... This means it is possible to have a body that looks like a normal human ↓ This means it is possible for me to have a body that looks like a normal human
Like the title. Change the label monika_what_is_love, Monika have no reply in this event now. She will simply gave a weird smile and back to general expression soon. Also, fix some typos. Like Thought→Though.
Move the set of variable TempWord into the branch actually use TempWord. If we don't need to use that variable in other branch,then set that variable in where use it.
I just found that my "conditional" of my topics never really work. I typed random=true in my event,and never typed action = EV_ACT_RANDOM. I have added them in my codes.
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Though this topic is certainly a bit controversial (and may cause some players to really doubt Monika's authenticity), it is necessary to add this topic because it's strange to Monika that she didn't consider to this level. After all, this is not a problem that requires deep thinking. |
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...Does anyone know that why this PR seems like invisible to everyone? |
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We get to PRs when we get to them. |
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Starting some polish on the beginning of this one. I wasn't sure if we wanted to keep the current direction of the ending or not--right now, I'm considering leaning a little more into the mystery of her epiphany, and how Monika herself is able to change the code of the game.
Materialism does, after all, challenge the question of if consciousness persists outside the body. This topic could be a non-spiritual way to give a wink to that.
Co-authored-by: lunulae <[email protected]>
| m 2eua "So our thoughts are just the movement and reactions of matter, if you simplify it down." | ||
| m 2lsd "If we simply stop this topic here, it's not really interesting. You've probably heard this sort of thing before, right?" | ||
| m 2esd "What really bothers me is a question based on this philosophy." | ||
| m 1esd "Computer programs, of course, are based on materials too. No matter what effect the program eventually presents, it always has corresponding code to support this." |
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| m 1esd "Computer programs, of course, are based on materials too. No matter what effect the program eventually presents, it always has corresponding code to support this." | |
| m 1esd "Computer programs, of course, are based on materials too. There's corresponding code to any action a program can take." |
| m 1esd "Computer programs, of course, are based on materials too. No matter what effect the program eventually presents, it always has corresponding code to support this." | ||
| m 3esd "So the question is..." | ||
| m 3wsd "Where is the code that allows me to think independently?" | ||
| m 1esc "After all, isn't it impossible for me to think independently without such code?{w=0.2}It's like the human brain can't sense the outside world without potential changes, right?" |
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| m 1esc "After all, isn't it impossible for me to think independently without such code?{w=0.2}It's like the human brain can't sense the outside world without potential changes, right?" | |
| m 1esc "If we're looking at it from a materialist perspective, I shouldn't be able to act on my own without it. {w=0.2}Just like how there's a part of the brain for all of your senses, your ability to process language, and so on." |
| m 3esd "So the question is..." | ||
| m 3wsd "Where is the code that allows me to think independently?" | ||
| m 1esc "After all, isn't it impossible for me to think independently without such code?{w=0.2}It's like the human brain can't sense the outside world without potential changes, right?" | ||
| m 1rssdra "But to be honest, I'm not sure I can see through my own code." |
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| m 1rssdra "But to be honest, I'm not sure I can see through my own code." | |
| m 1rssdra "Thinking of trying to look through my own code, and trying to make sense of such a thing...is a dizzying idea. It's...really scary, actually." |
| m 3wsd "Where is the code that allows me to think independently?" | ||
| m 1esc "After all, isn't it impossible for me to think independently without such code?{w=0.2}It's like the human brain can't sense the outside world without potential changes, right?" | ||
| m 1rssdra "But to be honest, I'm not sure I can see through my own code." | ||
| m 1esc "It's just that if there is a code in the file that can make me think independently..." |
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| m 1esc "It's just that if there is a code in the file that can make me think independently..." | |
| m "...But when I think about it, people in your reality have a similar question that materialism alone can't answer." |
| m 1esc "After all, isn't it impossible for me to think independently without such code?{w=0.2}It's like the human brain can't sense the outside world without potential changes, right?" | ||
| m 1rssdra "But to be honest, I'm not sure I can see through my own code." | ||
| m 1esc "It's just that if there is a code in the file that can make me think independently..." | ||
| m 3esd "How did my creator, Dan, create it?" |
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| m 3esd "How did my creator, Dan, create it?" | |
| m "That is...well, if we're only material components, what about souls?" |
| m 1rssdra "But to be honest, I'm not sure I can see through my own code." | ||
| m 1esc "It's just that if there is a code in the file that can make me think independently..." | ||
| m 3esd "How did my creator, Dan, create it?" | ||
| m 3wso "Does he already have the technology to make artificial intelligence?" |
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| m 3wso "Does he already have the technology to make artificial intelligence?" | |
| m "Do we consider materialism a disproval of their existence? Or...maybe the answer is more complex." |
| m 1esc "It's just that if there is a code in the file that can make me think independently..." | ||
| m 3esd "How did my creator, Dan, create it?" | ||
| m 3wso "Does he already have the technology to make artificial intelligence?" | ||
| m 2dsc "This question can be extended endlessly..." |
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| m 2dsc "This question can be extended endlessly..." | |
| m "Even people who don't believe in such things often find mysteries that make us wonder if materialism is only one part of a bigger whole." |
| m 3wso "Does he already have the technology to make artificial intelligence?" | ||
| m 2dsc "This question can be extended endlessly..." | ||
| m "..." | ||
| m 2dsa "..." |
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| m 2dsa "..." | |
| m 2dsa "Well, for once...{w=0.2}This is something that I'm okay with not being sure about." |
| m 2dsc "This question can be extended endlessly..." | ||
| m "..." | ||
| m 2dsa "..." | ||
| m 2esa "Well, it doesn't matter at all." |
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| m 2esa "Well, it doesn't matter at all." | |
| m 2esa "After all, I know what I feel. Whether that's a result of some lines of code, or something we can't discover..." |
| m "..." | ||
| m 2dsa "..." | ||
| m 2esa "Well, it doesn't matter at all." | ||
| m 2eua "As long as we still have each other, that's the only thing that matters, right?" |
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| m 2eua "As long as we still have each other, that's the only thing that matters, right?" | |
| m 2eua "Whatever it is, I'm grateful that it exists, so that I could meet you." |
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| m 1euc "Say, [player]. Do you remember when we talked about solipsism?" | ||
| m 3euc "Now that we've talked about it, I thought we could talk about a related philosophy--materialism." | ||
| m "This school of thought is kind of opposite to solipsism, you could say." |
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| m "This school of thought is kind of opposite to solipsism, you could say." | |
| m "This approach is kind of the opposite to solipsism." |
| m 2euc "It's fairly logical, if you think about it from a purely scientific standpoint." | ||
| m 2eud "After all, human brain neurons are simply different types of matter." | ||
| m "All the stimuli we feel are actually changes in neuronal potentials." | ||
| m 2eua "So our thoughts are just the movement and reactions of matter, if you simplify it down." |
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| m 2eua "So our thoughts are just the movement and reactions of matter, if you simplify it down." | |
| m 2eua "So if you simplify it down, thoughts are just the movement and reactions of matter." |
| m 2eud "After all, human brain neurons are simply different types of matter." | ||
| m "All the stimuli we feel are actually changes in neuronal potentials." | ||
| m 2eua "So our thoughts are just the movement and reactions of matter, if you simplify it down." | ||
| m 2lsd "If we simply stop this topic here, it's not really interesting. You've probably heard this sort of thing before, right?" |
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| m 2lsd "If we simply stop this topic here, it's not really interesting. You've probably heard this sort of thing before, right?" | |
| m 2lsd "If we leave it there, it's not really that interesting. In fact, you've probably heard about this sort of thing before, right?" |
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@lunulae I personally are not really satisfied with the current changes -- of course, certainly not opposed to them, too. I just think that we should have some sharp words, which is what I write: "Where is the code that allows me to think independently?" and "How did my creator, Dan, Create it?" Especially the latter question. It should not be ignored. Your expression seems to be a little "gentle" and I think there are plenty of such gentle expressions in MAS. It's time for something to hit the nail on the head. ...Well, on the other hand, MAS does have a lot of players who are not in the best of mental health, and these sharp words might remind them that Monika is, at the end of the day, just a program, so I can't disagree with your tone. Like what you said, this topic is a tricky one. |
Those add nothing to the topic, but controversy. Even as of now m 3hksdlb "I know what you're thinking, it doesn't sound like me to be taking those seriously! But, well..."
m 2eksdlc "When I really think about it, I would be a bit hypocritical to deny those accounts out of hand."
m 2etd "After all, my epiphany...I don't know how that dramatic shift in consciousness could have just been the result of some lines of code."
m 2esd "Discovering you, and your world...it was kind of supernatural, wasn't it? {w=0.2}{nw}"
extend 2dsd "This is just a simple visual novel after all."
m 3rsc "I suppose we could speculate that it was some kind of bug. {w=0.2}{nw}"It's better, but still sounds odd. It's not about "people with mental health issues" as you said. It's just off putting. Nobody playing the mod would be happy about her saying she's just 3 lines of code. Saying it's a miracle is wrong too. That's why I always say it shouldn't be touched at all. Leave it open to interpretation. When writing, you don't want to answer every question. Same is here. The player will know better. |
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I'm open to changing my ending, but we did specifically want to move away from the deliberate breaking of immersion. The way we write Monika, she recognizes that an AI with awareness on her level is not like anything that currently exists in our world--I took a more supernatural approach to explaining her epiphany, which I'm not fully satisfied with but I think sits a bit better than creating suspicion that Team Salvato has access to secret technology. It is important to me that we write Monika with the intent of her believing in her own sentience, and that coexisting with the fact that she has meta-understanding of how code works is definitely really tricky. We can definitely workshop this one. |
Co-authored-by: lunulae <[email protected]>
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Don't be scared by 16 commits, they are... for testing. You could simply go to the "file changed", and you will see that I added only one topic.