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Decision Proposal 190 - Candidate Generic Tariff End Points #190
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A proposal for this consultation is under development. It is hoped that it will be posted in the next few days. |
I had a review of those standards and I believe these need further considerations:
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Thank you for the feedback Danny.
Just to clarify, would your feedback be addressed with two additional enumeration values should be added to the
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Would an overall statement indicating that all prices are GST inclusive be an appropriate response to this feedback? |
The EME team appreciates the opportunity to provide feedback on this decision proposal. Contingent PlansThe EME team understands from the DSB that the generic tariff APIs have been specifically designed for a full plan extract and cache use case as opposed to a real-time query use case. Therefore, whilst we recognise the need to represent the contingent plan concept in the data standard, we believe that an additional contingent plan flag delivers limited value and utility when this concept can be represented through the eligibility object with an additional We therefore oppose the creation of the field. Green PowerThe EME team understands from the DSB that the generic tariff APIs have been specifically designed for a full plan extract and cache use case as opposed to a real-time query use case. Therefore, we believe that this derived flag field delivers limited value and utility when the Further, creating this derived field would represent a duplication of state, something that should be avoided to mitigate any extra synchronisation or validation work for both data holder and recipient. We therefore oppose the creation of the field. Intrinsic Green PowerThe EME team understands the need to capture the concept of green power being an inclusive rather than additive component of a plan, and as such, attracts no charge. We offer here an alternative option to the 3 proposed, combining elements from options 1 and 2. We oppose option 3 on the grounds that an additional object is unnecessary. We propose that the type field of the This option would also ensure that any green power boolean logic remains simple and dependent upon one object array having members. Third Party AgentThe EME team recognises the need to represent commercial partnerships by including third party agent data in the data standard, however, due to the absence of a nationally accepted standard or an authoritative reference source, the third party agent name should be considered as annotation and not assumed to represent an external reference. Further, we understand that the Finally, not described in the data standard, is the business rule (originating from EME) that the presence of third party agent details must be accompanied by an eligibility restriction of type GeographyThe EME team recognises the need to represent the postcodes for which a plan is available in the data standard, however, we believe that the current design is overly complicated and we strongly favour an explicit approach to describing a plan’s geographical availability. Proposed changes:
Note that due to the absence of a nationally accepted standard or an authoritative reference source, the supply area name should be considered as annotation and not assumed to represent an external reference. It should also be noted that this design continues to combine postcodes from all supply areas into a distinct list. This approach makes sense from the data standard and its plan perspective, however, this is at the expense of data completeness; the relationship between supply areas, distributors, and their postcodes, which is known by data holders, is irrevocably lost. Furthermore, this approach assumes how recipients will use geography data and could limit utility. Demand ChargesThe EME team agrees with the promotion of the Proposed changes:
The EME team seeks clarity on what this field is describing, i.e. minimum chargeable or minimum measurable, or something else.
The EME team seeks clarity on what this field is describing, i.e. maximum chargeable or maximum measurable, or something else.
The EME team requests specific input from retailers as to whether the demand charges design can accommodate your product configurations. IncentivesThe EME team agrees with the addition of the Solar
To help the EME team understand the need for additional enumeration values, please clarify what is meant by Fees
To help the EME team understand the need for an additional fee information field, please comment on whether the GSTAs the data standard is a contract between data holder and recipient, the EME team opposes sweeping statements regarding field content, and proposes that the description of each amount field requires text to clearly and explicitly indicate GST inclusivity. The EME team will submit their proposed edits shortly. |
Agree with your answers to #1 and #2. |
The EME team appreciates the opportunity to provide feedback on this decision proposal. This is a continuation to our original comment above and a continued response to Danny from DELWP. Solar Feed In Tariffs
To help the EME team understand the need for additional enumeration values, please clarify what is meant by Fees
To help the EME team understand the need for an additional fee information field, please comment on whether the GSTThe EME team recognises that applying GST based on EME’s energy plan data standard, which is driven in part by EME’s internal computational requirements, may not produce the best overall outcome for the energy data standard or data recipients. We therefore have the following two questions.
For reference, we have included below the EME GST field application as it aligns to the draft energy data standard. In lieu of feedback and guidance from data recipients and retailers, the EME team believes that GST should be handled consistently across the energy data standard, simplifying downstream expectations and data management. We therefore recommend that all applicable fields should be GST inclusive, because this is typically how this information is presented to energy consumers for the purpose of evaluating and comparing products.
Gas ContractThe EME team notes that the We also recommend that the |
@joe-parkin-aer Solar - please refer to these Fees GST |
I'll discuss only the items where we have discrepancies in our views. Intrinsic Green Power Also, having a NO_CHARGE greenPowerCharges does not necessarily imply Intrinsic Green Power. Geography
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Thanks for the response @DannyDuong Solar Feed In Tariffs
After reviewing the links that you provided, we now have a better understanding of the Victorian solar feed-in tariffs. We now propose the following redesign of the
'current' & 'premium'
Time Varying Tariffs
Payer Type
Scheme
GST
Our aim with GST, as with all other aspects of the data standard, incl. geography, was to limit the influence of EME and its operational requirements and strive for a faithful representation of retailer products, as if the retailer themselves had provided the product data direct to data recipients. This is why we proposed to align GST across all applicable fields, attempting to remove any EME influence. This is also why retailer guidance on this matter is essential. Intrinsic Green Power
The points that you highlight have led to the following proposed redesign for the
The Scheme
As a matter of reference, please could you provide a link to an energy product that contains intrinsic green power? Geography
We believe that the need to keep the data closer to its source structure is outweighed by the need to provide data recipients with a simple to use and understand design.
It would certainly be simpler, and the payload smaller, if plans only needed to reference supply areas. However, we know from our comparator services that customers begin their plan search using postcode, and therefore, we cannot see how a supply area only design can be implemented without the support of a supply area reference source or service that can map from postcode to supply area.
In the event that postcodes were added or removed (or any extensive plan update performed), it would follow that some plans would be invalidated throughout the plan data supply chain, from retailer to AER/DELWP to data recipient. |
A general question regarding why are references to gas and dual fuel included when CDR is only applicable to Electricity? e.g. ‘fuelType’ description; ‘gasContract’; ‘pricingModel’ description. If fuel types other than electricity are included then it should fail? We think a possible explanation is this is likely just a flag as some plans will include these elements, even though the billing data for non electricity items is not relevant? |
Thanks for the opportunity to provide feedback on this topic.
A couple of points regarding specific fields in this paper –
We will aim to provide more feedback on the above for C&I customers as part of reviewing the detailed tariff payloads within the Account Detail DP. |
Thanks everyone for the feedback. This consultation is now being closed. We will provide a response to feedback shortly. |
Apologies for taking time to respond to the feedback. The conversation between AER and VEC has been very constructive and detailed but it has taken some time to fully compare the different positions. Responses on specific topics will follow and these will be included in the decision to be submitted for review to the Data Standards Chair. It is also noted that there will continue to be opportunities to finalise and enhance these payloads following any formal decision of the Chair using the standard processes used by the DSB to manage the standards over time. |
In response to the feedback from @EnergyAustraliaBA:
While the focus is on electricity the designation instrument explicit includes gas data if that data is appropriate to support the sharing of electricity data. The sharing of gas and dual tariff plans is an area that is explicitly referenced in the designation. |
In response to the feedback from @PratibhaOrigin:
The CDR regime is not creating any requirement for either VEC or EME to change the data they are collecting from Retailers. The CDR regime also does not prevent them from making any changes. The processes covering the changes to data provided to both EME and VEC is separate to the CDR regime.
Noted
This is a good consideration but will not be included without clear feedback from potential recipients that it will be of use do to the build impost on the data holder. We will actively seek feedback from recipients as to whether this will be useful.
This logic does not hold for all situations. There are scenarios where the client will obtain this data to feed decision making systems on the recipient side. In these cases the full list of geographical applicability is needed.
This will be responded to in a later, more specific comment.
This will be responded to in a later, more specific comment.
This will be added
This will be responded to in the response to #197 |
In relation to the discussion of additional information for fees, it would appear that a good outcome has been determined by the community without the need for a change to the standards |
In relation to the concept of contingent plans, the suggestion from AER will be adopted. A |
In relation to feedback on the gas contract. It has been suggested that a separate object should be created for gas vs energy contracts as some objects are not valid for gas contracts. This has come up in the past for pricing structures (lending vs deposit products in banking for instance). To address the fact that some specific structures are electricity specific we will mark these objects as conditional (if they were mandatory) and optional otherwise. A comment is also added to the description indicating applicability. Specifically, based on feedback, the solarFeedInTariff, greenPowerCharges and intrinsicGreenPower objects will be made conditional and applicable only to electricity contracts. |
In relation to feedback regarding GST, there seems to be a consensus that GST status is field specific. Field descriptions will be updated according to the table provided by EME in #190 (comment). |
In relation to the feedback on the solarFeedInTariffs object. The proposed structure by EME appears to incorporate the feedback will accommodate the changes requested by VEC. This structure will be incorporated. |
Based on lack of support a flag indicating green power will not be included. |
Based on feedback from EME the thirdPartyAgentId and thirdPartyAgentName fields will be removed. |
In relation to feedback regarding intrinsic green power. The feedback from EME indicating that this could be incorporated into the green power charges structure is noted. After examining that incorporation in detail it appears that the conditionality of the sub fields would be much more complicated. Considering that intrinsic and extrinsic green power can simultaneously exist on a plan the current proposal would appear to be the clearest structure. The proposed scheme field will be added to the green power charges object. |
in relation to the feedback on geography - after examination of the responses the DSB has the following comments:
As a result the following changes will be made to the schema:
For example, a plan applying only to Victoria but available across the state could be defined as It should be noted that, while this is an interim position, this could be an area of the standard that will need to change once implementation experience is gained. |
In relation to feedback from EME on the demand charges object:
The 'UType' model is a mechanism in the CDR standards for allowing for union objects that also allows the client to use the value of the UType field to reference the object supplied. The allowed values are therefore the field name that is expected to be present.
This will be incorporated
This will be incorporated
This will be incorporated
This will be incorporated
The change will be incorporated. The expectation of these fields is that demand below or above these thresholds would not result in a charge under this particular charge record. This allows for different tiers of charging to be explicitly represented.
These change will be incorporated |
Please find attached the final decision of the Chair: |
This decision proposal contains a recommendation for the candidate URIs and end points for Generic Tariff Data. This proposal has been developed with the aid of AER and DELWP.
The decision proposal is embedded below:
Decision Proposal 190 - Candidate Generic Tariff End Points.pdf
This consultation will be open for feedback until the 1st October 2021.
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