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Hard tack takes too long to bake. #37986

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DocGhast opened this issue Feb 13, 2020 · 8 comments · Fixed by #37993
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Hard tack takes too long to bake. #37986

DocGhast opened this issue Feb 13, 2020 · 8 comments · Fixed by #37993

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@DocGhast
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Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.

Hard tack currently takes an hour and thirty minutes to cook a single batch, after a discussion on the fan discord came up about it, a little research showed it should take nearly a third of that. Most recipes call for 25-35 minutes of baking, and less than ten minutes of preparation.

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A single batch of hard tack should probably take no more than 40-45 minutes.

Describe alternatives you've considered

Continue to spend an hour kneading dough for no reason.

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Just a few of the many sources showing how quick and easy it should be to make. Seems like it spends more time cooling off after baking than anything else.
https://www.skilledsurvival.com/hardtack-recipe-survival-bread/
https://www.awm.gov.au/learn/schools/resources/hard-tack

@I-am-Erk
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I think this is underestimating prep time. Most recipes I found give a 70-90 minute estimate

@scorpion451
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That sounds like a severe overestimation. The only vaguely time-consuming part is poking holes in it, and that's an optional thing.

@I-am-Erk
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It's the majority of recipes. We generally believe things like published recipes over people asserting "nah I don't think so".

@scorpion451
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scorpion451 commented Feb 14, 2020

Even when said person has done this sort of recipe numerous times before?

Simply baffled as to where these recipes are getting the idea that it takes 40 minutes to pour flour, water, and salt in a bowl, knead it for a couple minutes, roll it out, section it, and poke some holes in it. There's a way more complicated cookie recipe my family does every year that uses a similar process (but splitting the dough into multiple layers that get different flavorings added into them) and that maybe takes 40 minutes if we're doing three or four batches of a couple dozen each.

The timing simply doesn't make sense from my practical experience.

Edit: note that the recipe on wikipedia lists the time as 1-2 hours, including 1 hour of baking. You'd only take more than a few minutes on the mixing and cutting if you're glacially slow.

@I-am-Erk
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The recipes I view assume twenty minutes or so to mix, kneed, roll, puncture, and slice, and give an hour of baking time. That sounds pretty reasonable to me, honestly.

@DocGhast
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There's no need to knead hardtack dough. Kneading is done to help create air pockets formed by the gasses released by the yeast. There is no yeast used in hardtack.
I can't find any recipes that call for more than 40 minutes of bake time. Most range from 25-35 minutes.
But if you're sure this time is accurate, then perhaps the problem lies with regular bread only taking 20 minutes, despite it requiring kneading and time for the dough to rise before baking.

@I-am-Erk
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Kneading is about agglutination, it has nothing to do with yeast.

It's fair to argue that bread should have a longer cook time, for sure. Hardtack takes longer to make than a lot of bread though (notwithstanding rise times), as it has to bake until all moisture is out of the dough.

I don't know how you're not finding hour cooktimes. I got my results from the first several articles when I googled hardtack recipes

@DocGhast
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https://www.skilledsurvival.com/hardtack-recipe-survival-bread/ 25-35 minute baketime.
https://www.awm.gov.au/learn/schools/resources/hard-tack 30-40 minute baketime.
http://cookit.e2bn.org/historycookbook/904-hardtack-ships-biscuits.html 30-40 minute baketime.
https://www.foodstoragemoms.com/make-hardtack/ one hour baketime.
http://www.americantable.org/2013/06/civil-war-recipe-hardtack-1861/ four hour baketime.
https://urbansurvivalsite.com/make-your-own-hardtack/ one hour baketime.

These are my first six results. I guess it's just a matter of the luck of the Google draw.

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