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sepia tint remembered tiles instead of simply darkening them (#32669)
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Adding such functionality without an option to disable it (have the gray back) should be severely punishable. New sepia tint is HORRIBLE.
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Frogs. Definitely frogs. And some leeches, too.
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Seriously, tho. Making it black-n-white would be a way better option.
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black and white is not a valid option, because low-light vision is black and white. Remembered tiles must be distinct from low-light tiles.
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Well, low light vision could be coloured but darker (or just less saturated), but looks like no one thought in that direction, isn't it?
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Why is this not cyan, then? Or magenta? Or, I don't know, lime, maybe? Why sepia? Is your memory all brown in your head? Sepia as option for this is as ridiculous as cyan, or magenta, or whateverthecolour. While black-n-white makes perfect logic for that, and making low-light vision have colours, but less saturated fits this agenda much better.
"Let's assume we can see at least some colours in low lighting environment, and no colours in areas we remembered" vs "let's use Sepia! Why? Because f**k logic, that's why!"
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When you try to remember things and places, you may not remember colours, but you remember things, objects, shapes. If you don't remember a colour of an object, you assume it's either grey, or black, or white, or something in between. When you think about something, it usually goes "oh, that bike/car/dress looked nice, too bad i don't remember the colour...", you don't think "oh, that was a nice car... it's colour... what was it's colour... it was SEPIA! Adn the dress was SEPIA, and bike, and furniture, whole effing world? This is SEPIAAAA!!".
As of "why" - the answer is "it's way less ridiculous."
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Name 3 games where "fog-of-war" uses sepia. No googling.
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Alright then. Photographs from the past? I just saw that wall 5 seconds ago. Sheet, that was AGES ago! That table in the room I just left? Such old! So faded!
Again, no person in sane mind will assign sepia to all their memories in own head. Literally no one.
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No, that is not the case. I am deeply convinced that if you MUST make remembered area be different from directly visible, it should be neutral. Either B/W or dimmed (less saturated), and no specific colour applied.
Basically it boils down to "Neutral" vs "Some one man's personal preferences in colours". Neutral - fits all.
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Great. I was feeding the troll all along. Bon appetite in any case.
Last argument against sepia: ask anyone who played computer games, what they think about colours of areas that are not directly visible. NOONE will say sepia. Gray, dark, dimmed, white, black - but you will have ZERO answers with sepia.
It's just not natural.
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What if you ask author of this PR and they will say sepia? ;)
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Highly doubt it. Can you name any? Just not google-found, but really ones that you've played.
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Ah yes, sepia, the deeply unnatural colour of horror.
If you're going to appeal to tradition, I'd say if you ask anyone to name a single colour that was associated with "memory", the answer would be sepia, but it's entirely irrelevant anyway. It could be literally any colour to distinguish it from low light vision, but sepia is an obvious and easy choice.
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Over the last 2 hours asked ~40 ppl about it. Zero answers with "sepia".
How is it even "an obvious choice"??
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Name what? You've asked whether anyone would say "sepia" and I suggested PR author would say it.
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Did you read the pull request? The plan is already to make this configurable per tileset down the line.
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If you just went around polling people about what they think colours mean, I think you've entirely missed the point: it's irrelevant. It could be teal or green scale. Sepia tone makes sense because despite your widespread poll that I'm completely convinced you really did, sepia tone is often used for flashbacks... But nobody fucking cares, we just need a colour change to distinguish it from darkness and from low light vision. This achieves that.
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As entertaining as this has been, this is not a chatroom.
@alfuken If you have discussion to offer on the implementation details of the PR, put it in the PR.
If you have a bug report or feature request, post it in the issue tracker (following the appropriate template).
Otherwise, you should go back to the discourse. I know you know where it is, seeing as how I already saw the hilarious edit history on the post you made earlier.