Nav Unification - method to opt out of Calypso links

[getdave]

Many of our paying customers use WPAdmin. As a result of the Nav Unification project many of the links in the WPAdmin "view" will now point to their Calypso equivalent meaning that these customers will be "forced" to use Calypso. This is likely going to cause concern for these users.

As a result, we need to create an opt-out mechanism which allows WPAdmin power users to force all links to be wp-admin rather than Calypso.

We need to check what to do with links that are totally hidden in nav-unification, we are showing them when user opts out of calypso links or not? eg Settings -> Writing

[getdave]

FYI @davemart-in - how would you see this working? Some kind of account wide setting? Would it live on Calypso or WPAdmin? @Automattic/ajax team any ideas?

[cpapazoglou]

Facts:

1. We cannot completely avoid calypso links as there are not wp-admin equivalents for some calypso screens (eg Plans)
2. In case the user opts-out of Calypso links, the admin menu endpoint should return a variation of the menu which will contain the new links
3. Opting-out should be as easy as opting-in again
4. This setting should be reachable both from calypso and wp-admin

I suppose a User Account wide setting is more appropriate (like colour schemes), so that Users with multiple sites have the same experience while switching sites.

[davemart-in]

From my perspective:

• This toggle is only for screens which have both a Calypso and a wp-admin variation (e.g. posts list, pages list, media, etc...) We'll likely need some support copy above the toggle to clarify what it does (cc @sfougnier)
• I'm happy for this toggle to live in a single location (vs. in Calypso AND wp-admin). I'll cc @sfougnier for where that might be.
• I agree that if the user opts-out of Calypso links, the admin menu endpoint should return a variation of the menu which will contain the alternate wp-admin links
• I agree that opting-out should be as easy as opting-in again

[obenland]

Worth mentioning that even if that toggle is set to wp-admin, there will still be Calypso links in the admin menu. The plugins screen on Simple sites for example, or the Domains setting screen for all customers.

the admin menu endpoint should return a variation of the menu which will contain the alternate wp-admin links

The exact technical underpinnings are probably not too important right now, but I currently have the endpoint just return whatever the admin menu gives it. This logic would be in the menu structure class that I'm currently working on.

[ghost]

This toggle is only for screens which have both a Calypso and a wp-admin variation (e.g. posts list, pages list, media, etc...)

Worth mentioning that even if that toggle is set to wp-admin, there will still be Calypso links in the admin menu. The plugins screen on Simple sites for example, or the Domains setting screen for all customers.

I've been mulling this feature over and I think I am still unclear why a user would want to do this. I could see if every Calypso screen had a corresponding wp-admin counterpart, but having a mix of 2 separate interfaces seems to only create a more disjointed experience. Is there a particular use case I'm not seeing @davemart-in @lcollette @rickybanister ?

I'm happy for this toggle to live in a single location (vs. in Calypso AND wp-admin).

If we choose to move forward with this, I agree this makes sense. I imagine this would need to be placed in account settings, near/below the color scheme selections (with some more descriptive copy).

[cpapazoglou]

I am still unclear why a user would want to do this.

@sfougnier I suppose that the most common problem is that not all the features are exposed in calypso screens. For example in the following posts page, there is no ability for bulk actions in calypso whereas in wp-admin there is.

[davemart-in]

I am still unclear why a user would want to do this.

Yep, it boils down to 3 things, loosely prioritized below:

1. Personal preference - especially for pro users who tend to pay us more money.
2. As @cpapazoglou points out, there is some functionality only available in the wp-admin version of these screens.
3. Atomic customers may have plugins installed which extend the wp-admin versions of these screens which they don't want to lose out on.

[lcollette]

I'm with @sfougnier in being unclear on the use case and whether a toggle is the best way to solve for this. Rather than adding a toggle, I wonder if we might first understand what about our current experience necessitates a toggle and how we might reconcile those differences for a long term win.

1. Personal preference - especially for pro users who tend to pay us more money.

Is there data that shows pro users have a personal preference for one UI over the other?

2. As @cpapazoglou points out, there is some functionality only available in the wp-admin version of these screens.

It would be great to have a source of truth about the differences between screens so we can be more intentional in our unification efforts (on the Design side). I know bulk editing is one of those features. What else?

3. Atomic customers may have plugins installed which extend the wp-admin versions of these screens which they don't want to lose out on.

Is there an example of a plugin that extends the wp-admin version of these screens so we can see this in context?

[rickybanister]

It's also worth understanding whether customers would want to default their entire account experience to one set of links to the other, or do this on a per site basis. I realize we settled on an account-level setting for color schemes, but I think it's worth asking for this setting as well.

[ghost]

Is there a comprehensive list of what screens this will affect? It may be helpful to evaluate those all together and determine if there's a better way to solve this.

[cpapazoglou]

@sfougnier

Is there a comprehensive list of what screens this will affect? It may be helpful to evaluate those all together and determine if there's a better way to solve this.

All links mentioned in https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i640dQt4vs2XYgqRA4YEH69ssR9UNcFJx49HUss0-q0/edit#gid=0 with a checkmark in Screen affected by not offering a /wp-admin alternative column.

@lcollette

It would be great to have a source of truth about the differences between screens so we can be more intentional in our unification efforts (on the Design side). I know bulk editing is one of those features. What else?

I believe the problem is mostly in posts / pages due to bulk actions, sorting options, inline actions (added by plugins), and alerts/notifications (added by plugins missing). The rest of the features missing can be found through comparing these screens. I don't believe we have a missing features list in hand (do we @davemart-in ?)

wp-admin	Calypso

Is there an example of a plugin that extends the wp-admin version of these screens so we can see this in context?

eg adding a page builder plugin, shows an inline action

or as shown above, plugins can register actions / notices

[ghost]

I'd like to propose that we keep the opt-out feature account-specific rather than site-specific.

• It can exist along with other interface settings such as the color scheme
• It becomes a user's personal choice rather than a site-specific choice that may impact other users that may be interacting with it.
• It allows for a more unified user experience, either leaning toward Calypso or wp-admin across all a user's sites.

I imagine for this first iteration this could exist as some kind of settings toggle within the Me - Account Settings page. In future iterations, I think we could further consider this feature and its relationship with the interface.

[lcollette]

Smart solution, @sfougnier! The placement within settings, alongside color schemes, feels right.

Could color schemes fit under Interface settings? Maybe language too?

[ghost]

Thanks, @lcollette! Splitting this out into its own interface-related section on this screen could help make these options a bit more scannable:

[getdave]

@sfougnier Just a note that we cannot make all dashboard pages WPAdmin.

Account pages, purchases, domains, are some of the few that will always be in Calypso.

Not sure how you can account for that.

[ghost]

Yes, I'm aware. Maybe we can remove "all", as I can see how that's misleading, and instead say "Replace dashboard pages with wp-admin equivalents".

[cpapazoglou]

The link destination (calypso vs wp-admin) is now filterable
https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/pull/18101/files
props to Obenland.

[rickybanister]

I like the new grouping, good suggestion @lcollette. And nice work @sfougnier.

[getdave]

Started working on this in #48710

[JoshuaGoode]

For Atomic:

Outside of accessing theme, plugin, and inline settings that have been previously discussed, another case would be local user accounts.

Without an option to turn this off, Users in the WP-Admin goes to https://wordpress.com/people/team/

Many membership and eCommerce sites will require access to the WP-Admin version of Users so they can manage, create, and invite non-WPCOM accounts or manage plugin-based profile settings and permissions.

[getdave]

This is a good escape hatch for Issues such as this p7DVsv-ago-p2#comment-33825

[cpapazoglou]

@Automattic/ajax I thinks it's time to step back and think again if this approach is enough. As I have already commented here #49191 (comment)

we may need to have accessible both interfaces. For example
https://wordpress.com/settings/general/yoursite.com has several features not accessible through a WPAdmin screen

What I am trying to say here, is that WPAdmin is not a superset of features and doesn't include all Calypso features. It seems to me that we may have to extract that kind of features into different Calypso screens / menus first.

[mmtr]

It seems to me that we may have to extract that kind of features into different Calypso screens / menus first.

I agree that would be ideal, but even though Calypso developers would like be unaware of this limitation when adding new features to Calypso. So even if we refactor the screens to make sure all current features are accessible, I anticipate we'll have the same problem in the near future.

So in addition to trying to make sure that the current features that are exclusive to Calypso are always visible, I'd also add a small scape hatch for covering future features that are unintentionally hidden.

Maybe a small switch button that is displayed on every page that has an equivalent on both WP Admin/Calypso could work. Users can use that switch button to quickly switch to the WP Admin / Calypso equivalent.

Quick mockup illustrating the idea:

[obenland]

It's probably worth revisiting the menu structure for Atomic sites. Users and Settings screens seem to be the biggest issues so far?

[cpapazoglou]

It's probably worth revisiting the menu structure for Atomic sites. Users and Settings screens seem to be the biggest issues so far?

Per my understanding and users' reports, yes. Users and Settings screens seem to be the biggest (only) issues, meaning that neither Calypso nor WPAdmin are full featured.

[getdave]

Users and Settings screens seem to be the biggest (only) issues, meaning that neither Calypso nor WPAdmin are full featured.

Let's pull together a list of screens and features for a side-by-side comparison of Calypso and WPAdmin (Google Spreadsheet seems best).

From there we can decide how to approach the Issue.

I will say that as a quick solution @mmtr's suggestion seems like a good short term plan. It does however ask a lot of users given that Nav Unification is supposed to be providing a single interface for our product.

I've created a separate Issue to track this

#49262

[getdave]

Needs splitting up into smaller Issues as this is currently a bit of an epic.

[obenland]

as a quick solution @mmtr's suggestion seems like a good short term plan

I'm hesitant about spelling out the difference between the two interfaces like that, to me it doesn't necessarily feel in line with what we're trying to do with nav unification.

Maybe we could explore finding menu titles for the wp-admin screens that we want to put back and have them available in addition to the Calypso ones? Like Edit Users or something for the users list?

We could limit adding the settings to only when the settings sections have registered fields or sections? isset( $wp_settings_fields['general']['default'] ), isset( $wp_settings_sections['general']

[obenland]

I should have used the word "Fixes" ;)

[getdave]

Missing Settings and Users screens discussion:

Just so this Issue remains on topic for Method to opt our of Calypso links let's continue the discussion about sorting out the missing settings pages over at #49262.

Thanks 🙇

[mmtr]

Reopening since this still needs Automattic/jetpack#18548 to be released in Jetpack 9.4.1 for handling Atomic sites.

[mmtr]

Jetpack 9.4.1 just came out, so we can close this issue now.