[css-overflow-4][css-overflow-3] What is with scrollbar-gutter and overlay scrollbars now?

[karl-police]

This goes back to the issue #6090

It's about these classic and overlay scrollbars.

I think scrollbar-gutter has been implemented into Google Chrome and Firefox, however I am not sure if someone said that scrollbar-gutter could be used to preserve these overlay scrollbars, but it doesn't seem to be the case, without having overflow: overlay

However, I see people that say, that overflow: overlay would force people to set their overflow to overlay inorder to have overlay scrollbars. I mean, I guess this is not wrong, however this doesn't solve the fact that there's nothing for scrollbars to overlay over an overflow or something.

scrollbar-gutter: none doesn't exist and was discussed here once #4501, and instead someone said that it would be scrollbar-gutter: stable but I think that's not doing anything noticable either, in combination with any overflow value. Except overflow: hidden there it shows the "gutter" but no scrollbar.

scrollbar-width doesn't allow numbers apparently. I can't do something like 10px.

Reading through this https://drafts.csswg.org/css-overflow-3/#overlay-scrollbars talks about overlay scrollbars, and that a gutter apparently can be removed, but I don't think that's working.

So what's with overlay scrollbars now?

 

I am not sure if the browsers implemented it wrongly. I don't even know where an actual working CSS Environment test browser where all features are implemented properly can be found at.

[karl-police]

Hm.

Or can there be a scrollbar-gutter: overlay?

[tabatkins]

scrollbar-gutter has no inherent connection to overlay scrollbars, and isn't intended to influence any browser's decisions to expose or not expose overlay scrollbars controls.

That said, I'm not actually sure what you're asking about in this issue. Could you restate your question?

[karl-police]

scrollbar-gutter has no inherent connection to overlay scrollbars, and isn't intended to influence any browser's decisions to expose or not expose overlay scrollbars controls.

That said, I'm not actually sure what you're asking about in this issue. Could you restate your question?

How to make overlay scrollbars without overflow overlay?

[Maximaximum]

Yeah, it's kinda ridiculous we still don't have a way to force overlay scrollbars in 2023 😕

[tabatkins]

We have browsers explicitly rejecting the ability to force a scrollbar to be overlay. We're not missing this functionality by accident.

(I personally disagree with this, but specs can't force behavior, only help align behavior that implementors agree with.)

[tophf]

We have browsers explicitly rejecting the ability to force a scrollbar to be overlay

Isn't their stance pointless since the page author can imitate the overlay scrollbars via JS+DOM?

[karl-police]

We have browsers explicitly rejecting the ability to force a scrollbar to be overlay

Isn't their stance pointless since the page author can imitate the overlay scrollbars via JS+DOM?

I've talked to one that develops a... I think really known one.

And the issue is with CTRL + F. The highlights.

They can't implement those.