046 special coded dates

[CECSpecialistI]

https://github.com/uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA/blob/main/Working%20Documents/0XX.csv

[CECSpecialistI]

From Melissa: "RDA Registry mapping has several subfields going to P20004, "has date of capture". The description says it's a date associated with "recording, filming, etc.", so am I correct in interpreting this as only applying to things with audio or video recordings (videos, movies, music, audiobooks)?

If so, I'm thinking about how to write in these conditions -- I'm thinking of basing it off either 336, 337, or 338 so I can narrow in on only resources that would have recording elements. Does this seem like I'm on the right track?"

@CatalogerCate and @AdamSchiff , what do you think? Is there an easy way to know when an 046 value is a date of capture vs. another coded date? Or is this really only a functional mapping going from RDA to MARC?

[CatalogerCate]

This information will always be in the 033 and 518. Don’t think 046 has anything to do with this date, but let me check and make sure. Cate Cate Gerhart, Librarian Head, Monographic Cataloging Unit University of Washington Libraries ***@***.*** 206 685-2827 (cell: 206 372-5046) “The difficult is what takes a little time; the impossible is what takes a little longer.”—Nansen. From: Crystal Clements ***@***.***> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 5:29 PM To: uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA ***@***.***> Cc: Cate Gerhart ***@***.***>; Mention ***@***.***> Subject: Re: [uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA] 046 special coded dates (Issue #79) From Melissa: "RDA Registry mapping has several subfields going to P20004, "has date of capture". The description says it's a date associated with "recording, filming, etc.", so am I correct in interpreting this as only applying to things with audio or video recordings (videos, movies, music, audiobooks)? If so, I'm thinking about how to write in these conditions -- I'm thinking of basing it off either 336, 337, or 338 so I can narrow in on only resources that would have recording elements. Does this seem like I'm on the right track?" @CatalogerCate<https://github.com/CatalogerCate> and @AdamSchiff<https://github.com/AdamSchiff> , what do you think? Is there an easy way to know when an 046 value is a date of capture vs. another coded date? Or is this really only a functional mapping going from RDA to MARC? — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#79 (comment)>, or unsubscribe<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AVX7HCTLXHUQ6L52JMKJPRTUQ7VO5ANCNFSM5IXJNZPA>. Triage notifications on the go with GitHub Mobile for iOS<https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1477376905?ct=notification-email&mt=8&pt=524675> or Android<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.android&referrer=utm_campaign%3Dnotification-email%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dgithub>.

[AdamSchiff]

046 would not normally be used for date of capture. It is used for date of creation of work and date of expression. I suppose as an expression date there could be a mapping to 046 as well as 033 or 518 since for music a performance is a particular expression of a work or works. 046 is more likely to be used to limit searches than 033. There’s definitely the possibility of duplication of information when coding expression dates of music. For film/video 046 is more likely to be used for creation date of work than an expression date. 033/518 would be used filming/recording dates, which are likely to be specific dates (year-month-day) while 046 is likely to just be a year or years. Adam Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 aschiff @ uw.edu

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________________________________ From: Cate Gerhart ***@***.***> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 8:46 PM To: uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA Cc: Adam L Schiff; Mention Subject: Re: [uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA] 046 special coded dates (Issue #79) This information will always be in the 033 and 518. Don’t think 046 has anything to do with this date, but let me check and make sure. Cate Cate Gerhart, Librarian Head, Monographic Cataloging Unit University of Washington Libraries ***@***.*** 206 685-2827 (cell: 206 372-5046) “The difficult is what takes a little time; the impossible is what takes a little longer.”—Nansen. From: Crystal Clements ***@***.***> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 5:29 PM To: uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA ***@***.***> Cc: Cate Gerhart ***@***.***>; Mention ***@***.***> Subject: Re: [uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA] 046 special coded dates (Issue #79) From Melissa: "RDA Registry mapping has several subfields going to P20004, "has date of capture". The description says it's a date associated with "recording, filming, etc.", so am I correct in interpreting this as only applying to things with audio or video recordings (videos, movies, music, audiobooks)? If so, I'm thinking about how to write in these conditions -- I'm thinking of basing it off either 336, 337, or 338 so I can narrow in on only resources that would have recording elements. Does this seem like I'm on the right track?" @CatalogerCate<https://github.com/CatalogerCate> and @AdamSchiff<https://github.com/AdamSchiff> , what do you think? Is there an easy way to know when an 046 value is a date of capture vs. another coded date? Or is this really only a functional mapping going from RDA to MARC? — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#79 (comment)>, or unsubscribe<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AVX7HCTLXHUQ6L52JMKJPRTUQ7VO5ANCNFSM5IXJNZPA>. Triage notifications on the go with GitHub Mobile for iOS<https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1477376905?ct=notification-email&mt=8&pt=524675> or Android<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.android&referrer=utm_campaign%3Dnotification-email%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dgithub>. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#79 (comment)>, or unsubscribe<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADFBVB3HUJBA75WD5M3U7X3UQ7XM7ANCNFSM5IXJNZPA>. Triage notifications on the go with GitHub Mobile for iOS<https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1477376905?ct=notification-email&mt=8&pt=524675> or Android<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.android&referrer=utm_campaign%3Dnotification-email%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dgithub>.

[CECSpecialistI]

Meeting discussion: 046: generally can't go from MARC2RDA and determine date of capture. Maybe unless someone somewhere used 046**$a p $e [date of capture]
When is a mapping a Timespan vs. a date with a "direct" literal value? How to choose which property to use ("date of expression" vs. "related timespan of expression" types of choices) Inclusive dates may need to be expressed as Timespans? Has related timespan of work: TimespanA. TimespanA has beginning timespan Timespan B. Timespan A has ending timespan TimespanC. Is this our life now?
What are the entity boundaries and what is an entity boundary? Are Timespans and Nomens following the same rules? Or are Timespans a complete mystery?
Want to map what's most likely to be there, not necessarily every possible thing that could be in the MARC data.

[CECSpecialistI]

Next steps: Crystal email Theo. If we still have questions, email GD to ask for consult.

[CatalogerCate]

Yes, as we said, date of capture is 033 not 046. Cate Cate Gerhart, Librarian Head, Monographic Cataloging Unit University of Washington Libraries ***@***.*** 206 685-2827 (cell: 206 372-5046) “The difficult is what takes a little time; the impossible is what takes a little longer.”—Nansen. From: Crystal Clements ***@***.***> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 2:22 PM To: uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA ***@***.***> Cc: Cate Gerhart ***@***.***>; Mention ***@***.***> Subject: Re: [uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA] 046 special coded dates (Issue #79) Meeting discussion: 046: can't go from MARC2RDA and determine date of capture. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#79 (comment)>, or unsubscribe<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AVX7HCSHRLOMWLXUEMXSJ5LURJQ7DANCNFSM5IXJNZPA>. Triage notifications on the go with GitHub Mobile for iOS<https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1477376905?ct=notification-email&mt=8&pt=524675> or Android<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.android&referrer=utm_campaign%3Dnotification-email%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dgithub>. You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: ***@***.******@***.***>>

[CECSpecialistI]

From Junghae: I’d like to let you know that there are no records with 046 $a p and $e in Alma. I ran an indication rule but didn’t get any results.

[CECSpecialistI]

@gerontakos Do you understand how timespans work? Or should we email GD about this? #79 (comment)

[gerontakos]

To keep it short, no, I don't, although I've read the pertinent passages in RDA and LRM. But I think that our properties should make it clear: if there's a range=Timespan, we create a Timespan; if there is no range, we have a choice on the value: it's either a datatype property for which we enter a literal, or it's an object property for which we create a Timespan. I think if there is no range, we're free to decide in our AP what we want to do. I'm only at step one of this problem however. You may have already considered all that.

[pennylenger]

@CECSpecialistI Hi Crystal, for 046, the following subfield is mapped to 3 elements because the first indicator Type of entity is # No information provided. Can it be mapped to 3 elements or should we use a broader element? It seems there is no broader element to cover this three.

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	046	SPECIAL CODED DATES (R)	Type of entity	#	No information provided	Undefined	*				b, c				046 $a	m			http://rdaregistry.info/Elements/e/P20214	has date of expression	structured description	When $a=m, date 1 is the initial year of a multipart item
	046	SPECIAL CODED DATES (R)	Type of entity	#	No information provided	Undefined	*				b, c				046 $a	m			http://rdaregistry.info/Elements/m/P30278	has date of manifestation	structured description	When $a=m, date 1 is the initial year of a multipart item
	046	SPECIAL CODED DATES (R)	Type of entity	#	No information provided	Undefined	*				b, c				046 $a	m			http://rdaregistry.info/Elements/w/P10219	has date of work	structured description	When $a=m, date 1 is the initial year of a multipart item

[CECSpecialistI]

Gosh, that's a good question. There is no broader term so I think we have to map to what is "safe". I think the safest mapping for when there is "no information provided" is "has date of manifestation". What do you think, @GordonDunsire @AdamSchiff ?

[AdamSchiff]

If you look at the history of the field at the bottom of the MARC format, you gain more information: CONTENT DESIGNATOR HISTORY Field 046 - Special Coded Dates [REDESCRIBED, 2016] Redescribed to clarify that dates recorded in 008/06-14 may additionally be recorded in field 046. Indicator 1 - Type of entity [NEW, 2021] # - No information provided [NEW, 2021] 1 - Work [NEW, 2021] 2 - Expression [NEW, 2021] 3 - Manifestation [NEW, 2021] Prior to 2021, Indicator 1 was undefined. $b - Date 1, B.C. date [RENAMED, 2016] $d - Date 2, B.C. date [RENAMED, 2016] $j - Date resource modified [NEW, 2002] $k - Beginning or single date created [NEW, 2002] $k - Beginning or single date created [REDESCRIBED, 2016] Redescribed to clarify that dates contained in subfield $k may also be coded elsewhere in the formats. $l - Ending date created [NEW, 2002] $m - Beginning of date valid [NEW, 2002] $n - End of date valid [NEW, 2002] $o - Single or starting date for aggregated content [NEW, 2013] $p - Ending date for aggregated content [NEW, 2013] $x - Nonpublic note [NEW, 2021] $z - Public note [NEW, 2021] $2 - Source of date [NEW, 2002] $3 - Materials specified [NEW, 2021] As you can see, the first indicator value was undefined until 2021, when it was defined with the four values shown above. Subfields $k and $l were added for work dates in 2002, while $0 and $p were added for work dates in compilations in 2013. Subfield $a is not used with any of the date of creation subfields. I think its use would be limited to manifestation dates. Adam Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries (206) 543-8409 ***@***.***

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________________________________ From: Crystal Yragui ***@***.***> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2024 11:43 AM To: uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA ***@***.***> Cc: Adam L Schiff ***@***.***>; Mention ***@***.***> Subject: Re: [uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA] 046 special coded dates (Issue #79) Gosh, that's a good question. There is no broader term so I think we have to map to what is "safe". I think the safest mapping for when there is "no information provided" is "has date of manifestation". What do you think, @GordonDunsire<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/GordonDunsire__;!!K-Hz7m0Vt54!n3ocaIGz0bxOn_lmJEg7vzGYM8tYTUiQJ7ELlDqnCw-QdXfUTu3OYJYH0KrUFk7Xvqxy4ibH46_kL-97LdZUGZ0$> @AdamSchiff<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/AdamSchiff__;!!K-Hz7m0Vt54!n3ocaIGz0bxOn_lmJEg7vzGYM8tYTUiQJ7ELlDqnCw-QdXfUTu3OYJYH0KrUFk7Xvqxy4ibH46_kL-97umIAqvU$> ? — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/uwlib-cams/MARC2RDA/issues/79*issuecomment-2075600682__;Iw!!K-Hz7m0Vt54!n3ocaIGz0bxOn_lmJEg7vzGYM8tYTUiQJ7ELlDqnCw-QdXfUTu3OYJYH0KrUFk7Xvqxy4ibH46_kL-9720LyqDs$>, or unsubscribe<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADFBVB7P4DMXGEWCC4PVFE3Y674OVAVCNFSM5IXJNZPKU5DIOJSWCZC7NNSXTN2JONZXKZKDN5WW2ZLOOQ5TEMBXGU3DAMBWHAZA__;!!K-Hz7m0Vt54!n3ocaIGz0bxOn_lmJEg7vzGYM8tYTUiQJ7ELlDqnCw-QdXfUTu3OYJYH0KrUFk7Xvqxy4ibH46_kL-97Y6lWsq8$>. You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[pennylenger]

When I reviewed the mapping, I changed most of the mapping. It is better for someone else to review the mapping again.

[CECSpecialistI]

Thank you, Penny! Will leave this as "awaiting review"

[CECSpecialistI]

Hi @SitaKB , would you review this mapping?

[SitaKB]

Hi @AdamSchiff I am reviewing TAG 046. Could you give your input about $x.
$x is mapped to (P30462) 'is manifestation described with metadata by'. It is a nonpublic note. Should it be mapped? If mapped then it should be a note on manifestation?

[AdamSchiff]

I think it should be a note on timespan. It's a note explaining something about the date of work or expression recorded Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries (206) 543-8409 ***@***.***

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