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Jython 3 Features and MVP |
This is a discussion document that attempts to describe, and to some extent prioritise, features for Jython 3, based on suggestions collated from various voices on jython-dev and in off-list e-mail.
We think people will continue to adopt and use Jython if Jython 3 ...
- is a modern version of Python, close to standard in its features.
- runs on a Java platform that is supported in the long-term.
- integrates cleanly with Java for access to JDK and user libraries.
- offers correct concurrency (effectively utilising available CPUs).
- allows code developed on CPython 3.x to run on Jython 3.x.
- is well-tested for release and supported for bugs.
The minimum viable product (MVP) is to approach all these targets closely, that is, it isn't viable if it falls a long way short of any one of them. This does not preclude the availability of immature alpha versions. (It's a public project, so it is there for anyone to build.)
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MVP: A Python 3.8 (?) close to standard in ability to run Python.
- Only essential differences (e.g. around GC, atomicity).
- The full syntax (plus some Java twists e.g. to import from Java).
- Close to the whole standard library (where use is not C-specific).
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Builds for Gradle/Maven ecosystem.
- MVP: Slim JAR without bundled dependencies.
- MVP: Centrally available to cite as a dependency.
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Provides an executable command
- MVP:
jython3
command installable on each major OS - MVP: subset of commonly-used python3 command options
- Option-compatible with
python3
(MVP: a subset) - Options specific to Jython (JVM options and others)
- MVP:
- MVP: speed comparable with CPython (say 2x either way).
- Higher performance (single-threaded) desirable but not MVP.
- Future: Work to improve speed.
- Compile Python to JVM byte code.
- Faster Python byte code interpreter.
- Have in mind performance for:
- scientific computing
- image, big data and ML libraries
These choices, if valid, make a Python byte code interpreter a legitimate MVP.
It is difficult to enumerate the possibilities in a MECE way. It is multidimensional, although not every combination makes sense. Which of the things in this section are MVP?
- Windows desktop
- Linux desktop
- Mac desktop
- Raspberry Pi
- Android (minimum as discussed under "features")
- Risk: API gaps constrain us, or lead to a special Android version
- Small JVM devices (e.g. for IoT)
These are imprecise definitions, but the intention is to run everywhere Java does, and take full advantage of each environment.
- Desktop
- J2EE
- Risk: Java version support
- AWS
- Azure
- IoT/embedded Java
At the embedded end of the spectrum, Jython is probably only attractive if Python is not available directly (and Java is, obviously).
An unscientific, incomplete list based on projects we have noticed (e.g. via a reported bug).
- Robot Framework
- ImageJ
- Pig
- Ghidra
- OpenHAB
- ... ?
There is a wider Python ecosystem that does not yet use Jython because they
depend on extensions in C. E.g. there is not much in SciPy without numpy
.
How do we find the time and collaborators to test integration into these environments? Have we enough understanding to avoid unintentionally making it difficult?
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MVP: Runs on Java 11 SE. Chosen as a minimum because:
- It is the post-Java 9 workhorse for the time being.
- It has a rich set of libraries we can exploit in the implementation.
- LTS version characterises many enterprise Java installations.
- Enterprises favour security, ease of management.
- Risk to MVP: J2EE is based on Java 8. Must explore:
- have I misunderstood this?
- non-issue if JVM byte code is the same?
- attention needed to which libraries are on the path
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Not MVP: Runs on Android 8.0 API level 26:
- Android 8.0 API level 26 is the first known to support
j.l.invoke
. - Constraint on run-time class creation precludes:
- Compilation from Python to JVM byte code at run-time (
exec()
). - Certain approaches to implementation in detail.
- Compilation from Python to JVM byte code at run-time (
- Needs specialised tool chain.
- Desirable target, but unknown other obstacles.
- Android 8.0 API level 26 is the first known to support
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MVP: Generate and consume CPython byte code:
- This addresses large modules (JVM class size problem)
- Makes it possible to adopt modules compiled by CPython (defined version)
- Would be essential to Android support?
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MVP(?): Use of
threading
leads to actual concurrency.- There is no Global Interpreter Lock (neither a local one).
- Built-in objects remain internally consistent under concurrent access.
- The programmer is responsible for synchronisation of his/her code.
- The value of a shared object seen by another thread may be stale:
- Behavioural differences from CPython will occur in unsynchronised code.
- Operations that happen to be atomic in CPython need not be atomic in Jython.
- Concurrency is close to a unique advantage: probably MVP.
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High standard of compatibility with CPython.
- MVP:
os.name
no longer confuses popular tools (likevirtualenv
). - Divergences fixed as discovered. (Adoption of stdlib is a help.)
- MVP:
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Continue to integrate smoothly with Java
- MVP: Generally works as in Jython 2.
- Less magic: an object claiming Java type has the semantics in its Javadoc.
- Avoid semantic confusion (e.g.
list.pop()
vsDeque.pop()
) - Explicit cast or wrapper to choose Python semantics (possibly?)
- No special treatment of Swing and AWT names (as now in
PyJavaType
).
- Avoid semantic confusion (e.g.
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Support popular libraries (and their dependencies) progressively.
- MVP: An API that makes extensions possible.
- Encourage C to Java ports of the most popular (different projects!)
- Encourage JyNI or HPy experiments.
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Compile Python source to Java byte code, and:
- persist compiled Java byte code (in some form).
- treat Python compiled to JVM as:
- equivalent to cached .pyc files.
- resources locatable in a JAR by Jython.
- classes visible from Java (maybe).
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Command-line version.
- MVP: Launch script or other wrapper. (Generated by
jlink
? C?) - The command you run is the interpreter, not a launcher.
- JNI appears to support this readily.
sys.executable
designates the actual executable.- Process objects designate the process doing the work (not the wrapper).
- MVP: Launch script or other wrapper. (Generated by
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MVP: Interpreter embeddable in a Java application.
- Continue JSR-223 support with some clean-up.
PythonInterpreter
API (only) generally similar to Jython 2.- Risk: current API is unbounded: too much is public.
- Reduce the public API aided by Java Jigsaw modules.
- There will be blood.
- Risk: much existing guidance invalidated (Jython Book).
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Clear semantics for
import
from Java- Semantics in Jython 2 have repeatedly changed.
import
as written tries the same thing repeatedly
The Java API available for embedding and to extension writers, will be heavily influenced by "internal" implementation choices. Looked at the other way, premature API choices may constrain implementation freedom in undesirable ways.
This is especially true of the object model, since for efficiency's sake, objects exchanged at the API will be in the implementations we use internally.
This can be less difficult than in CPython because Java gives us good tools for encapsulation: interfaces, packages and modules. (Modules are important here. Many implementation details in Jython 2 became public API, just to cross our own package boundaries.)
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MVP: Resolve the object API before 3.x beta. One of:
PyObject
is an interface.- Every
j.l.Object
is a Python object directly.
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MVP: Abstract interface (along the lines of CPython
abstract.h
).- Abstract interface for basic operations.
- The internals of
type
(slots, etc.) are private (better encapsulated than CPython).
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MVP: Clear relationships amongst interpreter, system state and thread state. (At least the interpreter and its semantics are API.)
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Not: Java
List
andMap
implicitly Pythonlist
andmap
.- This is a tempting feature and it almost works, but involves complex guesswork.
- Propose a brief way to be explicit instead.
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Not: Java package cache.
- The location of this is problematic for users.
- It has been the subject of a CVE and follow-up bug.
- If there is evidence it significantly improves performance, without being a security issue, a reworked version could be added to 3.