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[CLOSED] [Review only] Changing german translation #5297

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core-ai-bot opened this issue Aug 30, 2021 · 16 comments
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[CLOSED] [Review only] Changing german translation #5297

core-ai-bot opened this issue Aug 30, 2021 · 16 comments

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Issue by MarcelGerber
Thursday Oct 31, 2013 at 12:21 GMT
Originally opened as adobe/brackets#5783

These are some changes to use a better style of language in the german samples. Based on the idea in #5583.

For review:@WebsiteDeveloper@pthiess@couzteau@ingorichter
Thanks to@WebsiteDeveloper for first hints.

MarcelGerber included the following code: https://github.com/adobe/brackets/pull/5783/commits
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Comment by MarcelGerber
Saturday Nov 02, 2013 at 10:58 GMT

@ingorichter@couzteau What do you guys think? (as you had the idea to clean up german samples)

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Comment by MarcelGerber
Tuesday Nov 05, 2013 at 20:22 GMT

Pinging@couzteau and@ingorichter again...

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Comment by couzteau
Tuesday Nov 05, 2013 at 22:56 GMT

Sorry for the belated reply and thanks for tackling the overhaul of the German Getting Started.

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Comment by MarcelGerber
Wednesday Nov 06, 2013 at 15:10 GMT

Quick View and Quick Edit aren't saying much more than Schnelle Farbansicht and Schnelles Bearbeiten. And letting them sound good in german sentences isn't easy.

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Comment by peterflynn
Wednesday Nov 06, 2013 at 19:15 GMT

@SAPlayer@couzteau It seems more consistent with our other locales to translate those names -- unless German has some characteristic that makes it less appropriate than in other languages? I usually think of French as our "canonical" translation, because it's the only one written by localization professionals... and they do translate "Quick Open," "Quick View," etc. into French. Fwiw.

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Comment by couzteau
Wednesday Nov 06, 2013 at 20:05 GMT

I do preceive the term "Schnelles Berabeiten" as awkward because it sounds like machine translation. It doesn't seem sensitive to the context of working as a web developer in the web stack. There are 100s of terms in your day-to-day work that are english. If I'm the only one that feels this awkwardnes, fine, but it certainly sounds awkward to me.

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Comment by MarcelGerber
Wednesday Nov 06, 2013 at 20:12 GMT

I believe other translations sound even worse ;)

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Comment by couzteau
Wednesday Nov 06, 2013 at 20:55 GMT

That's true, it's a very common problem with localization and it's often a fine line. Cultures are different I don't think there needs to be consistency in how deep the localization goes between i.e. German and French (@peterflynn 's remark ). I.e. french has a much stronger tradition in going very deep in translation. France used to (may be still has) laws that would require every software vendor to translate everything. Germany never did that.

I'd like to have brackets users a natural experience when using German, that is not so awkward that they'll switch to English because they can.

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Comment by MarcelGerber
Wednesday Nov 06, 2013 at 21:30 GMT

@couzteau Bur even if we would use Quick Edit, it wouldn't be easy to put them into normal sounding german sentences.
For example, try to form a sentence out of um einen Editor zum Schnellen Bearbeiten anzuzeigen, der Ihnen alle relevanten CSS-Regeln anzeigt..

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Comment by couzteau
Wednesday Nov 06, 2013 at 22:45 GMT

In this case I think the following translation would be my preferred translation:
Wenn Sie HTML editieren, können Sie die Tastenkombination Cmd/Strg + E verwenden, um einen Inline-Editor anzuzeigen, der Ihnen alle relevanten CSS-Regeln zum schnellen Berabeiten anzeigt.

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Comment by couzteau
Wednesday Nov 06, 2013 at 22:46 GMT

That is, for QuickEdit - I'm sticking with Inline-Editor zum schnellen Bearbeiten - this may work well in other contexts too.

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Comment by MarcelGerber
Thursday Nov 07, 2013 at 05:18 GMT

Yes, this is a good translation. But we should stay consistent with our translation names, so we should use the translated one everywhere.

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Comment by couzteau
Thursday Nov 07, 2013 at 18:55 GMT

I agree, there needs to be consistency.

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Comment by MarcelGerber
Friday Nov 08, 2013 at 19:23 GMT

@couzteau Changed some things, please take a look again.

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Comment by couzteau
Friday Nov 08, 2013 at 19:32 GMT

This is most definitely a big improvement. I'd merge it, but@ingorichter signed up for this review.@ingorichter please go ahead and merge if you have no objections. Thanks@SAPlayer

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Comment by couzteau
Friday Nov 08, 2013 at 19:42 GMT

@ingorichter blessed the change. Merging.

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