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Hi,
I would like to know what files are included in the package with an
extension of ".deb". After I install such a package, where do those files
go? I mean, how can I get a list of the pathes of those installed files? I
know there is an option "- qpil" for rpm which will print out the files
with their locations. I am looking for a similar one for Debian.
Thanks for your help.
Qin
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Hi all,
Are there limitations on what king of framebuffer can be useds on Alphas ...
in particular can I use my Voodoo3 3000 in my AS 1000A?
Cheers
Iain
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On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Qin Tao wrote:
> I would like to know what files are included in the package with an
> extension of ".deb". After I install such a package, where do those files
> go? I mean, how can I get a list of the pathes of those installed files? I
> know there is an option "- qpil" for rpm which will print out the files
> with their locations. I am looking for a similar one for Debian.
Once installed, you can do this (example is for binutils, but substitute
package name that you want to know about):
dpkg -L binutils
And it will print out all of the files that were installed by the package
and their locations. It will also mention any diversions made by the
package. If the package is not installed, do this:
dpkg -c binutils_2.10.0.24-2.deb
You may want to pipe the output through a pager, though, since it can be
lengthy for some packages.
> Thanks for your help.
Any time :-)
C
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On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, JOHNSTONE,IAIN (A-Scotland,ex1) wrote:
> Are there limitations on what king of framebuffer can be useds on Alphas ...
> in particular can I use my Voodoo3 3000 in my AS 1000A?
King of framebuffers? Wish I had one of those!
All joking aside, there are only a few "framebuffer" drivers that work on
Alpha (that is, using the framebuffer device driver). I just quickly
looked in the kernel docs and the only ones that I could find listed are
the Matrox and TGA framebuffer drivers (the docs may be outdated, though).
HOWEVER, this does NOT preclude you from using that card in an Alpha. In
fact, most Voodoo3 cards are known to work in Alphas (I haven't heard of
one that doesn't yet), although we don't have an X server for them
yet in the stable tree of Debian. You could compile one, however, if
you're so inclined to install XFree86 4.0.x.
C
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King of Framebuffers ........ I wish (-:
Last night I tried to install an other brand of linux (shall remain nameless
but there is a "hat" involved) because I have had problems getting hold of
potato for alpha. I assume that my problems are generic rather than with the
"hatted" brand.
When booting the AlphaServer 1000A from SRM with a CD the GUI install the
screen goes blank as it the VGA card is not supported. After replacing the
VGA card with a more generic Cirrus card all went well ... almost (a story
for another day). The screen went blank also when booting with the Voodoo3.
I have heard it rumoured that Alphas have problems with fancy video cards
.... is this true? Should I just go back to Potato for Sparc? Are Alpha's
too much hassle?
Cheers
Iain
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-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher C. Chimelis [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 06 September 2000 16:08
To: JOHNSTONE,IAIN (A-Scotland,ex1)
Subject: Re: FrameBuffers
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, JOHNSTONE,IAIN (A-Scotland,ex1) wrote:
> Are there limitations on what king of framebuffer can be useds on Alphas
...
> in particular can I use my Voodoo3 3000 in my AS 1000A?
King of framebuffers? Wish I had one of those!
All joking aside, there are only a few "framebuffer" drivers that work on
Alpha (that is, using the framebuffer device driver). I just quickly
looked in the kernel docs and the only ones that I could find listed are
the Matrox and TGA framebuffer drivers (the docs may be outdated, though).
HOWEVER, this does NOT preclude you from using that card in an Alpha. In
fact, most Voodoo3 cards are known to work in Alphas (I haven't heard of
one that doesn't yet), although we don't have an X server for them
yet in the stable tree of Debian. You could compile one, however, if
you're so inclined to install XFree86 4.0.x.
C
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> Last night I tried to install an other brand of linux (shall remain namel=
ess
> but there is a "hat" involved) because I have had problems getting hold of
> potato for alpha. I assume that my problems are generic rather than with =
the
> "hatted" brand.
Not necessarily. The Debian installer is by far the best installer for an
alpha distro that I have seen. The others seems to be strait ports of
Intel-platform installers.
> When booting the AlphaServer 1000A from SRM with a CD the GUI install the
> screen goes blank as it the VGA card is not supported. After replacing the
> VGA card with a more generic Cirrus card all went well ... almost (a story
> for another day). The screen went blank also when booting with the Voodoo=
3.
Could be any number of problems. Did you play around with the video settings
by passing various arguments to the kernel?
> I have heard it rumoured that Alphas have problems with fancy video cards
> .... is this true? Should I just go back to Potato for Sparc? Are Alpha's
> too much hassle?
They're definately not too much hassle. But it depends what you want to do
with your machines; if you want top processor performance and a fully 64-bit
userland, Alpha is the only choice. (Unless the 64-bit SPARC userland proje=
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On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:10:05 -0400 (EDT) "Christopher C.
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> HOWEVER, this does NOT preclude you from using that card
> in an Alpha. In fact, most Voodoo3 cards are known to
> work in Alphas (I haven't heard of one that doesn't
> yet), although we don't have an X server for them yet in
Slightly off-topic...
The Voodoo3 does not work on a Ruffian (UX) board. (No
signal.) At least, not on mine---then again, neither does
much of anything else. I wish I'd never bought it,
considering that it uses the exceedingly shitty ARCSBIOS,
which has cost me days of work trying to work around its
limitations, not to mention months of downtime trying to
get it replaced and working again after it broke (still
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OK, Debian it is, just having problems getting hold of potato at the moment.
Nothing was passed to the kernel on boot.
I would like to hope that they are not too much hassle. I have a SparcUltra
1 running RedHat that I would like to replace as my workstation with the AS
1000A with my Voodoo3 running Debian and Gnome. I think/hope that it would
be a bit faster that the sparc (-:
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wrote:
> Last night I tried to install an other brand of linux (shall remain
nameless
> but there is a "hat" involved) because I have had problems getting hold of
> potato for alpha. I assume that my problems are generic rather than with
the
> "hatted" brand.
Not necessarily. The Debian installer is by far the best installer for an
alpha distro that I have seen. The others seems to be strait ports of
Intel-platform installers.
> When booting the AlphaServer 1000A from SRM with a CD the GUI install the
> screen goes blank as it the VGA card is not supported. After replacing the
> VGA card with a more generic Cirrus card all went well ... almost (a story
> for another day). The screen went blank also when booting with the
Voodoo3.
Could be any number of problems. Did you play around with the video settings
by passing various arguments to the kernel?
> I have heard it rumoured that Alphas have problems with fancy video cards
> .... is this true? Should I just go back to Potato for Sparc? Are Alpha's
> too much hassle?
They're definately not too much hassle. But it depends what you want to do
with your machines; if you want top processor performance and a fully 64-bit
userland, Alpha is the only choice. (Unless the 64-bit SPARC userland
project
is further along than I thought?)
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JOHNSTONE,IAIN (A-Scotland,ex1) ([email protected]) wrote:
> When booting the AlphaServer 1000A from SRM with a CD the GUI install the
> screen goes blank as it the VGA card is not supported. After replacing the
> VGA card with a more generic Cirrus card all went well ... almost (a story
> for another day). The screen went blank also when booting with the Voodoo=
3.
>=20
> I have heard it rumoured that Alphas have problems with fancy video cards
> .... is this true? Should I just go back to Potato for Sparc? Are Alpha's
> too much hassle?
Yes Alphas (actually it's the firmware) has problems with some video
cards that do "fancy" x86 BIOS calls. A work around to this would be to
install from the serial console. Linux should be fine with the card
(AFAIK) and if you get a newer X then what is in potato (maybe one from
woody?) then you should be all set. IIRC you don't need the firmware to
init the video as Linux does something on it's own...=20
No Alphas are actually quite nice and unless I have been living under a
rock for a while (possible!) I think we are much further along with
Linux on Alpha then SPARC is.=20
HTH,
Ron
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On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, JOHNSTONE,IAIN (A-Scotland,ex1) wrote:
> King of Framebuffers ........ I wish (-:
>
> Last night I tried to install an other brand of linux (shall remain nameless
> but there is a "hat" involved) because I have had problems getting hold of
> potato for alpha. I assume that my problems are generic rather than with the
> "hatted" brand.
did you try the "hatted" brand in text mode?
> When booting the AlphaServer 1000A from SRM with a CD the GUI install the
> screen goes blank as it the VGA card is not supported. After replacing the
> VGA card with a more generic Cirrus card all went well ... almost (a story
> for another day). The screen went blank also when booting with the Voodoo3.
well, FWIW I've had mixed luck with Voodoo3 cards and X 3.3.6. In some
machine they work fine, others seem to have problems. 4.0 looks to be much
better in this respect.
> I have heard it rumoured that Alphas have problems with fancy video cards
> .... is this true? Should I just go back to Potato for Sparc? Are Alpha's
> too much hassle?
Alphas can be difficult at times, however once you're over the hurdles I
find them much easier to deal with. As for video cards, the only cards
that have a real problem are the NVIDIA TNT2 based cards...they use
extended bios calls that the x86 emulator in the Alphas doesn't
understand, but if you get to SRM/AlphaBIOS/ARCBios then things are
looking good.
--rdp
> Cheers
> Iain
>
> ______________________________________________________________
>
> Iain Johnstone
> Technology Engineer,
> GIO, ESO NT
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> South Queensferry,
> Scotland, EH30 9TG.
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher C. Chimelis [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 06 September 2000 16:08
> To: JOHNSTONE,IAIN (A-Scotland,ex1)
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: FrameBuffers
>
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, JOHNSTONE,IAIN (A-Scotland,ex1) wrote:
>
> > Are there limitations on what king of framebuffer can be useds on Alphas
> ...
> > in particular can I use my Voodoo3 3000 in my AS 1000A?
>
> King of framebuffers? Wish I had one of those!
>
> All joking aside, there are only a few "framebuffer" drivers that work on
> Alpha (that is, using the framebuffer device driver). I just quickly
> looked in the kernel docs and the only ones that I could find listed are
> the Matrox and TGA framebuffer drivers (the docs may be outdated, though).
>
> HOWEVER, this does NOT preclude you from using that card in an Alpha. In
> fact, most Voodoo3 cards are known to work in Alphas (I haven't heard of
> one that doesn't yet), although we don't have an X server for them
> yet in the stable tree of Debian. You could compile one, however, if
> you're so inclined to install XFree86 4.0.x.
>
> C
>
>
>
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On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Qin Tao wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to know what files are included in the package with an
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> know there is an option "- qpil" for rpm which will print out the files
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Try:
dpkg -L
>
> Thanks for your help.
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