Alternative to Windows Store for Windows - an msi installer for juliaup

[NicholasWMRitchie]

My work computer is forbidden by policy to access the Windows Store. Could there be an alternative source for JuliaUp for Windows as there is for Linux and Mac?

[davidanthoff]

@NicholasWMRitchie Could you try a new install option that avoids the store? Here is how:

• Click on https://install.julialang.org/Julia.appinstaller
• Launch the file that gets downloaded (just "open" it or double click on it in explorer)

Be warned, the version that you are getting there is very much a dev version, and you probably will have to uninstall this and then re-install a more robust version down the road. Right now I'm just trying to figure out whether this option is one that could solve this scenario for us.

[NicholasWMRitchie]

I did as you instructed. It installs a 64-bit instance of Julia 1.7.3 and the instance works as expected.
The juliaup command seems to work though I have not checked it extensively.

[lungben]

Thanks, this is really helpful!

I suggest to add the link to the appinstaller to the Readme file of this repo so that it is easier to find for other users.

[davidanthoff]

I suggest to add the link to the appinstaller to the Readme file of this repo so that it is easier to find for other users.

For now it is an experiment, as soon as we decide that we want to have that option permantely I'll put a link in the README. Oh, and we need to change code signing from my personal cert to the JuliaComputing one as well before we really declare this done.

[NicholasWMRitchie]

Is there a reason that the "juliaup self update" is not implemented on this version or is this just one of those things that you still need to complete?

I just reinstalled Julia.appinstaller to get the latest 1.8.0-rc4 version as it wasn't available on the initial test version.

[davidanthoff]

Is there a reason that the "juliaup self update" is not implemented on this version or is this just one of those things that you still need to complete?

Yep, that still needs to be implemented. I think in theory this appinstaller distributed version should auto-check for new versions, and then auto-update in the background, but there might be delays in that. Once I implement the juliaup self update thing that should force-trigger that.

I also plan to change how Juliaup in general learns about new Julia versions, at that point the delays should be minimal.

[bilderbuchi]

I think in theory this appinstaller distributed version should auto-check for new versions, and then auto-update in the background, but there might be delays in that.

Is there some way to detect/confirm that? I installed the appinstaller 1.7.20 version a couple of days ago -- worked flawlessly on a machine without admin rights or a useful Windows Store 🥳 . However, even after a reboot juliaup is still at that version (and therefore does not see the julia 1.8.0 release).

[oheil]

Just did an update on my work PC via Julia.appinstaller
For me this is the currently the most convenient way of getting/updating Julia on Windows. Typically I don't have any problems with other ways of installing Julia, but for the general Julia users my guess is, this is the best, even in this early stage.
As I don't have any issues which aren't already known or anything unexpected this is just meant as an encouraging note and a general WELL DONE! Thank you for your great work.

[DilumAluthge]

@ViralBShah Can you give this approach a try?

[MatthijsBlom]

@davidanthoff I tried the Julia.appinstaller as well, and this is the result (immediate uppon clicking Install):

😢 Screenshot

I can not find more detailed information.

[davidanthoff]

What version of Windows are you on? I thought MS had resolved this now (in a previous version of App installer this always happened...).

[MatthijsBlom]

Windows 10 Home 21H2, build 19044.2130.

[oheil]

Not sure if this leads to a solution but @MatthijsBlom can you open a PowerShell and show the output of
Get-ExecutionPolicy -List

[MatthijsBlom]

        Scope ExecutionPolicy
        ----- ---------------
MachinePolicy       Undefined
   UserPolicy       Undefined
      Process       Undefined
  CurrentUser       Undefined
 LocalMachine    RemoteSigned

[oheil]

OK, it's same for me but I can install. So it was a wrong track, never mind.

[el-oso]

I tried on my company computer and I got the following message:
App installation failed with error message: Appinstaller operation failed with error code 0x80070490. Detail: Element not found. (0x80070490)

[gruemelmonster]

First I got the same error as MatthijsBlom but then I updated the Store App from inside the Store and now it worked fine.
(We can only install a bunch of apps from the store and sadly Julia is not (yet) one of them)

[MatthijsBlom]

I can confirm that updating "App Installer" fixes my previous problem.

[el-oso]

Not sure if this app was update since, but it is still not working (see screenshot).

[el-oso]

Version 1.8.16 was successfully installed on my work computer.

[Petr-Hlavenka]

Does anybody have a recipe for how to install the juliaup on the Windows Server (2019 or 2022)? We are using the server editions on the SuperMicro stations (2 NUMA nodes, 100+ cores, 1.5TB RAM) but the .appinstaller file cannot be opened there.
I'd be glad to have juliaup (even only locally installed) on the system for the ease of use of the version multiplexing, even sacrificing the auto-update functionality.

[el-oso]

not really a show stopper, but a mild inconvenience. It seems that now I lost the ability to run julia in Windows from bash.
Now I get an error message like:
bash: /c/Users/USERNAME/AppData/Local/Microsoft/WindowsApp/julia: Permission denied

Not really a show stopper, but extended the usability of shell> mode from Windows. Otherwise, shell mode is sort of useless in Windows. If someone knows how to fix this problem, I would be very grateful :-)

[DilumAluthge]

not really a show stopper, but a mild inconvenience. It seems that now I lost the ability to run julia in Windows from bash.

This seems like a pretty big bug to me. I frequently use Bash on Windows, and I would definitely want to be able to run Julia in Bash.

@davidanthoff @staticfloat Any ideas what might be going on?

[staticfloat]

Sounds like the file doesn't have executable permissions. Try chmod +x ./julia from bash?

[LilithHafner]

Oh, and we need to change code signing from my personal cert to the JuliaComputing one as well before we really declare this done.

OT: Is there a JuliaLang cert we could use instead?

[DilumAluthge]

Sounds like the file doesn't have executable permissions. Try chmod +x ./julia from bash?

Even if this works, shouldn't Juliaup automatically set the correct permissions?

[el-oso]

Forgot to mentioned that I already tried to do chmod +x was the first thing that I tried. First of all, reports Permission denied as well. I already looked into it, but since I don't really know how this works I left the question a bit open.

From what I can see juliaup also installs a "fake" julia executable that is the one that does the multi-plexing. The specifics on how this is achieved in Windows are beyond me. The files that are installed in the "WindowsApp" folder are not real files, instead they are just some sort of links. This linking mechanism is not available from my bash and that's why the Permission denied message is raised.

Edit: Found that they are called Execution Aliases.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58296925/what-is-zero-byte-executable-files-in-windows

[el-oso]

Found a workaround that is not too bad. Type winpty julia or winpty juliaup and that works fine. Those can be made as an alias in your .bashrc

[ebenitez78]

I do not have access to Windows Store (employer police) thus I wanted to try this way. But I do not have AppInstaller either, and as far as I know, I can install it only from the Windows Store. Is there a third way to install juliaup?

[davidanthoff]

https://www.augmentedmind.de/2021/05/30/distributing-windows-applications/ is useful.

[dvetsch75]

I do not have access to Windows Store (employer police) thus I wanted to try this way. But I do not have AppInstaller either, and as far as I know, I can install it only from the Windows Store. Is there a third way to install juliaup?

I am in the same situation.

[davidanthoff]

Just FYI, I'm working on a traditional MSI installer as another alternative.

[davidanthoff]

I have a new MSI installer option for situations where the Windows Store and App Installer don't work on Windows. Would be great if some folks could try this! Be warned, this is experimental/prerelease at the moment, though.

64 bit version: https://julialang-s3.julialang.org/juliaup/winmsi/Julia-v1.11.18-x64.msi
32 bit version: https://julialang-s3.julialang.org/juliaup/winmsi/Julia-v1.11.18-x86.msi

By default this will install per-user, so not require admin permissions. You can also install systemwide by running:

msiexec /i Julia-v1.11.18-x64.msi ALLUSERS=1

The main drawback of this is that there is no auto-update for Juliaup itself. To update Juliaup, one will have to download a new version of the MSI installer and then run that. I might be able to later automate this a little bit more, but I don't think we'll ever be able to get the complete silent auto-update feature we have everywhere else. But hey, this is meant as a last-resort option for folks on locked down servers etc, so hopefully this is ok.

Oh, and what this is installer does is: 1) drop the binaries onto the user system, 2) add a start menu shortcut and 3) add things to the PATH.

In any case, test reports would be great!

[dvetsch75]

I have a new MSI installer option for situations where the Windows Store and App Installer don't work on Windows. Would be great if some folks could try this! Be warned, this is experimental/prerelease at the moment, though.

This has been working for me with no issues for a few weeks.

[GunnarFarneback]

Tangentially this installer avoids a crash when using julia itself to call out to juliaup on Windows, see JuliaLang/julia#51461.

[gitboy16]

Hi, I was just wondering is there a portable version of juliaup?

[LilithHafner]

A cross-platform fat binary that runs curl -fsSL https://install.julialang.org | sh (or a Windows equivalent) seems like a reasonable file to distribute.

[davidanthoff]

I was just wondering is there a portable version of juliaup?

Turns out I'm compiling one already as part of the build, just not putting it anywhere :) I actually have a need for this myself, so I'll probably start to attach those to the GitHub releases. That won't have any auto-update mechanism, though (of itself, it will of course update Julia versions).

[davidanthoff]

https://github.com/JuliaLang/juliaup/releases/tag/v1.12.5 now has portable binaries. I haven't tried them, though :)

[jkhamphousone]

As requested in the README.md, I am reporting success of the installer. It flawlessly worked for me.

julia> versioninfo()
Julia Version 1.10.4
Commit 48d4fd4843 (2024-06-04 10:41 UTC)
Build Info: Official https://julialang.org/ release
Platform Info:
OS: Windows (x86_64-w64-mingw32)
CPU: 12 × AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U with Radeon Graphics
WORD_SIZE: 64 
LIBM: libopenlibm 
LLVM: libLLVM-15.0.7 (ORCJIT, znver3) 
Threads: 1 default, 0 interactive, 1 GC (on 12 virtual cores)```

[GlenHertz]

The App Installer doesn't work for me on a somewhat locked down Windows 11 machine. I get the error:

App installation failed with error message: The package full name returned from the AppxManifest (JuliaComputingInc.Julia_1.17.1.0_neutral_~_5z4q23t4ga8jg) does not match the name generated from the AppInstaller

[davidanthoff]

@GlenHertz Ah, that might actually be related to a change in certificate we recently had, and I probably have to update more things. I'll check right now.

EDIT: #1016 should fix this.

[gbenezer]

Currently running the MSIX App Installer on my system, and it worked thank goodness! Been trying for a while to install juliaup.
Thank you for developing an alternative!

julia> versioninfo()
Julia Version 1.11.2
Commit 5e9a32e7af (2024-12-01 20:02 UTC)
Build Info:
Official https://julialang.org/ release
Platform Info:
OS: Windows (x86_64-w64-mingw32)
CPU: 16 × AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX with Radeon Graphics
WORD_SIZE: 64
LLVM: libLLVM-16.0.6 (ORCJIT, znver3)
Threads: 1 default, 0 interactive, 1 GC (on 16 virtual cores)