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Decision Proposal 194 - Candidate NMI Standing Data End Points #194
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Thank you for the opportunity to review and allowing us to provide feedback on the proposal paper published on NMI standing data. Following are list of questions and clarifications we have.
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In response to @EnergyAustraliaBA:
Yes
This is a value held by AEMO in MSATS and it is therefore designated and valid for sharing. Up until now we have not received feedback that the inclusion of this field would be a problem. In general we would do not assess the likely value of a field as this can be highly contextual to a specific ADR, service and consumer.
We defer to the AEMO's definition of this field under MSATS as this field has a direct corollary in the MSATS data.
This field is effectively last the modified field. This is the naming convention CDR uses for such fields.
Yes. We believe that to be the case
The expectation is that the meter data held by AEMO will be returned. If this includes removed and disconnected records then they should also be returned.
This field is structured according to the current structure defined by MSATS. There is no intention to change the meaning of this field for the CDR.
We have flagged this mandatory in consultation with AEMO that this classification would be acceptable.
We received feedback from the industry in previous rounds of consultations that these should be removed and there was no counter feedback to suggest they should be retained.
Thank you for picking this up. This is a typo in the proposal document. The added field (as seen in the payload body) is "registerConsumptionType" |
Thanks for the opportunity to provide feedback on this topic. Few queries /comments below –
As AEMO is the data holder and supporting this endpoint, how is AEMO supposed to know which sites/NMIs/service points are related to specific customer as the don’t have the customer data.
Confirmation required on the above that it refers to the data structures contained in existing data transfer methods and not the actual existing data transfer methods for NMI standing data. i.e, we are not referring to existing B2B method for sharing this data . The requested CDR data will be shared between AEMO and retailer via AEMO exposed end points as referred in DP – 192.
Will {servicePointId} be a NMI when the retailer calls this API ?
AEMO will be sending NMI ID in both servicePointId and nationalMeteringId fields of the payload. Is this correct ?
Query related to the above Off-market scenario. Is it fair to say that scenario A and B are in scope of CDR but not scenario C.
Just a clarification – after the MSDR changes , readtype is a 4 character field and not 3 character as mentioned in the paper. This needs to be updated here too in accordance to market changes.
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On behalf of AGL Australia CDR working group: AGL welcomes the opportunity to provide feedback on the proposed paper. The following is the list of our comments:
Thank you |
Thank you for the opportunity to respond to the above Decision Proposal. Our response is in the attached word document. |
Thanks everyone for the feedback. This consultation will now be closed and we will respond to the final items of feedback in short order. |
In response to the feedback from @PratibhaOrigin:
This is correct. The retailer will past a list of NMIs in the request payload to AEMO. As highlighted in Decision Proposal 192, this endpoint will change from GET to POST for retailer requests to AEMO
Yes, CDR data will be shared via AEMO exposed endpoints
The mapping of NMI to servicePointId must be maintained by the Retailer under the ID permanence requirements. Orchestrating this mapping via the AEMO endpoints would not be a pattern that the DSB would recommend without good reason.
Yes
As this is a scope question it is likely that it can only be clarified by the Rules team. We will pass this feedback on to them for awareness
Thank you, this is useful feedback. AEMO has also provided feedback along these lines and we will incorporate changes arising from MSATS procedures once they are firm. Note that this is likely to be an ongoing process even after implementation is complete.
The attributes are aligned with MSATS and are expected to be provided accordingly. We will re-confirm and update descriptions accordingly
As mentioned above, the standards will align to current MSATS procedures. They can be updated as necessary closer to the new MSATS procedures being finalised.
The latter scenario is correct. The standards are developed according to designation and not nominated use cases. |
In response to feedback from @AElharouny:
Thank you. Our CX team are developing a data language to help understand some of the technical and industry specific concepts. They usually provide additional description that elaborates on the data as the cluster/permission language is difficult to comprehend on their own. It would be at the DH’s discretion to clarify specifics like the examples above.
The standing data payload is a reflection of MSATS standing data. A data recipient can build up a “change over time” view of the data with multiple requests to the standing data payload combined with usage data information. With regard to the ability for recipients to be able to interpret data, this is best managed via feedback helping to enhance the payloads to ensure they can be interpreted properly (particularly in reference to the example provided). It needs to be noted that customer may approve access to usage data without approving access to standing data. If the standing data is required to interpret usage data then the usage payloads should be considered inadequate. Would you recommend any changes to the usage payloads to ensure they can be interpreted in isolation?
Thank you, we will correct the inconsistencies. Yes, AEMO (and all CDR Data Holders) need to provide data in CDR compliant format. |
It has been brought to our attention by the CX team (who are doing data language standards) that the scope for standing data detail should be: This change will be included in the decision. |
Further feedback to @PratibhaOrigin after referring the question to the rules team:
The response from the rules team is as follows: Treasury’s rules team has considered these scenarios and advised that only the consumer in scenario A is intended to be in scope for purposes of the CDR. To be eligible under the CDR rules, the consumer needs to not only have a NMI, but for their NMI to be settled in the wholesale market, with a financially responsible market participant (FRMP) allocated to it, and their retail arrangement must be with a retailer (and not an exempt seller). The rules team’s understanding is that in scenario B, the consumer will have a NMI but there won’t be a FRMP allocated to the NMI, and therefore the consumer in scenario would not be eligible to share their data via the CDR. Nor would the consumer in scenario C. For scenarios B and C, the rules team does not expect that data holders would make the account information available for off-market accounts on their account selection screen, as this may cause confusion. |
Responses to the feedback with AEMO (from the PDF submission):
Thank you for the specific feedback, we will update to fix the highlighted errors.
This is correct (this was determined in #192)
The values will be removed as recommended
The attribute will be left in the payload, the description will be updated to clarify that the value of this attribute does not indicate consumer generation
We will update the type to DateString
The attribute will be left in the payload as there is not enough justification to remove it and it is a useful field for recipients
Note the standing data description includes both code and value. As discussed offline, we will leave the description as is
The value will be added as recommended
The above changes will be made as requested
The change will be made as requested. We note that this aligns with feedback from Origin
As discussed offline, the description will be updated to align with MSATS
The attributes will removed from standing data based on the above feedback. Note that they are available/can be derived from usage data payloads
The attribute will be added and called “registerSuffix” in alignment with usage data.
Ok. We will incorporate this change
Ok. NOTE: The change is being requested as registerConsumptionType is no longer non_market due to 5MS changes
Ok. NOTE: The change is being requested as the attribute was historically optional and can be blank
Ok. We will incorporate this change
As discussed offline, the “controlledLoad” attribute will be made into a boolean with “true” or “false” as possible values
Thank you for picking up the typo, it will be removed |
The Chair has approved the attached decision for this consultation: |
This decision proposal contains a recommendation for the candidate URIs and end points for NMI Standing Data. This proposal has been developed with the aid of AEMO.
The decision proposal is embedded below:
Decision Proposal 194 - Candidate NMI Standing Data Payloads.pdf
This consultation will be open for feedback until the 17th September 2021.
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