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New world and start game UI improvements #57098
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Wow... I never even considered how unfriendly and novice killer are the start menus until now... I do not know how I even started playing this game with all these problems. |
Yes, I was aware they were a problem, but only at the back of my mind until I started writing this up. |
I'll throw in my two cents: I had a friend try the game recently and the most trouble they seemed to have with navigation was not knowing what "BACKTAB" was, they otherwise got into the game fine. |
I figured it out, but indeed, I never seen it elsewhere than CDDA. I guess replacing it with Shift-Tab would be enough. NVM, I'm blind, it's exactly what Erk suggested, either way, I'm 100% for it! |
We already have that for credits and MOTD, so I'm totally for it. I mentioned in Discord that previously, but isn't it technically possible to add the MOTD and credits files as jsons? I remember @BrettDong mentioning they need padding, but does it require them to be a *.txt files that have to be manually updated and aren't checked by anywhere else in code? We have padding in other json files already.
I'd even go as far as to just leave the Options in there, the keybindings are best to be adjusted from the game too, especially since they are context specific.
I wholeheartedly agree, I wonder how many players miss tutorial altogether, it's so buried. Project Zomboid had it settled good. |
There is still some material here we could use, but the basics are good for stable I think. |
I am moving tutorial to top-level menu in #67678, but maybe we better move it to "New Game" menu instead? |
I'd still like tutorial and defense to be in new game yeah |
That's pretty good, I think I'd go with "play defense mode" and "play tutorial" rather than "play now! (Defense mode) just because it gets to be a lot of the same words Thanks! |
I think enough of this is done to close this now. There are still tweaks that could be made, for sure, but it's way better |
Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.
THIS WHOLE UI EXPERIENCE FEELS LIKE IT WAS SLAPPED TOGETHER BY DOZENS OF TALENTED AMATEURS OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS WITH NO CLEAR DESIGN PLAN.
As is ever the case, the new player experience is opaque and complex from the get-go. The opening splash menu of the game is hard to navigate and the menu options are over-inclusive and set up in no particular order.
Solution you would like.
There are a few spots we could improve this UI, but three major ones stand out.
Keybindings
Navigating the starting menus is a nightmare and I don't know how we've done it like this so long. Particularly on the phone, it just doesn't make sense. Up, down, side to side,
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, tab, and shift-tab, space, and enter... WHAT?I mean, friggin' look at this:
What's a new user supposed to make of this, when this is the first thing they're greeted with on the first page of their first new game?
Change Keybindings
We need to think about how we work out keybindings here and make them much less of a nightmare. There are a few ways we could go about this, but here is one possible setup.
Standardize all submenus to a vertical layout, so up and down select between submenu options.
This is insanity:
Submenu options (such as the new world/select a world dialogue above) automatically become visible when you highlight the main option ([World] in this case). You don't press enter or space to open a submenu. This reduces a lot of keypresses and menu navigation confusion at no cost, since because of item 3 below, if this isn't the menu you want, you just keep on scrolling.
Side-to-side arrows switch between main menu headings (world|special|setting etc). Since you don't have to open the submenus, there is no role for having to press "esc" to get out of one of the submenus.
Extra suggestions:
save these settings as default
highlightable option.Mouse/Touchscreen support
Of all our menus and windows, this one would benefit the most from mouse support. We should be able to click menu options and use the scroll wheel. If we have mouse support then, on Android, we can remove the keybindings part entirely and make this a touchscreen menu.
Make the mod selection and advanced world options into things you must actively select.
When you start a new world, you should be prompted for the name of the world, and it should clarify that this is basically your savegame name. Then, you should have to press "A" or similar to open the current more detailed world settings, and "M" to select mods. Hide these tabs otherwise
Advanced option: Simple slider presets
We could potentially add a set of quick presets to this base screen, each with no more than 3 settings - default, low, or high. This would allow more accessible customization. My suggestions:
Enemy Difficulty:
Other Survivors
Cities
Start settings
First, fix the current bug where selecting "play now" opens the new world screen. Although I suppose if the 'new world' screen just prompts for a savegame name as above, it's not as big a problem.
Second, change the "start game" options into a vertical list, not a horizontal one.
Then, let's order the items thus, renaming and adjusting some options:
(edit: it occurs to me that this is upside-down since our menu starts from the bottom. Play Now! should be the first selection object, so the bottom of the list. I'm sure you can work it out.)
Play Now!
This option works like the current "play now (fixed scenario), but it will randomly choose a character template from the "less hard" default presets. See next section for details. I do think we should prompt the player for their name and gender, both here and in Quick Start... The same dialogue for that could also ask for your world/savegame name.
Quick Start
This is where the most work will go. Quick Start will keep the standard Evac center start, but adds a selection option to choose a difficulty ( I recommend only having "less hard" and "more hard" as options to prevent too much hair splitting over what qualifies as easy) and a "main" playstyle (combat, crafting, survival, and a few more). Less hard presets should always have some combat ability. The game then chooses from a list of preset characters with categorical information to tell us what difficulty and what playstyle they are. We do not let the player choose a specific preset, to prevent this option getting overly clogged.
Random Game
The current "play now" basically, this will choose a scenario and a character as we currently do.
Advanced Character Builder
This is the current character generation screen, no changes. Yet.
Load and Edit Preset
This could work as it presently does, but it would be nice if there were two lists, one for your own saved presets and one for the ones we add to use in Quick Start. Then, once you select a preset, you can edit it in Advanced Builder.
Describe alternatives you have considered.
Just making the advanced world options and mod menu separate,making the start game window vertical, and 1-5 on the keybindings fix would help a ton.
Additional context
I am marking this as a release blocker because several of the components do need urgent fixing before stable. The whole thing doesn't have to be done as I've described, although I don't think it's hard.
I have noticed previoulsy that our menus are hard to navigate but I usually just try to get off the splash screen quickly and not think about it. You may have noticed that, now that I thought about it, I am quite annoyed. Now that esotericist has made me look at this, I expect you will find me posting a few more rants about some of our UI stuff.
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